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Let your body speed determine your grip and ball positioning

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One of the most frustrating things for golfers is attempting to apply golf theory to their own specific needs. It’s a challenging task, because so much of the information is conflicting.

Even the simplest questions can be difficult to comprehend. For example, where should I place my hands on the club? Where should the ball be positioned in my stance? Theory states that you should place your hands on the club in a “neutral” position so that the club face is statically sqaure at the address position.

Theory also states that ball position varies based upon the club that is being swung. Starting with the longest club, the driver should be positioned somewhere near the front heel. As clubs get shorter, the ball position gradually moves farther back. The sand wedge, or the shortest club, is positioned somewhere toward the middle part of your stance.

If theory is absolute truth, how can David Duval (ball position forward, hook-faced grip), Nick Price (neutral ball position and grip) and Corey Pavin (ball position back and slice-faced grip) play world-class golf and win major championships with three different variables of ball position and grip positioning? They have found a way to match up their own ball position and grip to their personalized dynamic technique. You can too, by applying the information below.

The most relevant factor that determines the answer to these two questions is how much your body is facing the target at impact. Let’s start with ball position. The more your body faces the target, the more the bottom of your swing should be near your target foot. Think of baseball players: They always try to hit the pitch toward the front part of the plate. If you look at their body positioning, their chest is frequently aimed between the second basemen and the shortstop. Of course a baseball player is hitting the ball well forward of where a golfer does, however the relationship between body positioning and ball contact is very similar for golf.

So how do we relate this information to the golf swing? To find your ideal ball position, get into your golf posture without a club and swing instinctively, only with your non-target hand. Strike your golf bag and hold your body positioning at impact like the photo shown below. Take note of the following hip and chest characteristics to determine where your ball position should be.

Photo 1: Hips and chest open to your body line at address equals a ball position forward of “ideal” theory.

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Photo 2: Hips open but chest parallel to your body line at address equals a middle ball position, or “ideal” theory ball position.

Mitchell 1

Photo 3: Hips square but chest closed to your body line at address equals a ball position back of “ideal” theory.

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After identifying your ideal impact position and ball position, it’s time to determine which grip most effectively will help you square up the club face at impact. In simplest terms, the ideal location for your forearm to rotate correctly and square up the club face to your intended target line is when your backswing-side arm passes the middle part of your body. Because we all have different body speeds that produce different ball positions at impact, different grips or club face angles are needed to square up the club face.

To apply this information for your club face position, take your regular grip but ensure that your club face is square statically at the address position. Place a two-by-four on the ground so that it is perpendicular to your intended target line. Recreate your natural impact and ball position with the two-by-four by placing your club face directly on the edge of it. Adjust your hands and club face to ensure that your club face is square at impact. Take note of the following characteristics:

Photo 1 : Hips and chest open matches up to a strong or closed-face grip at address.

closed face grip

Photo 2: Hips open and chest parallel matches up to a neutral-face grip at address.

neutral faced grip

Photo 3: Hips square and chest closed matches up to a weak or open-face grip at address.

open faced grip

By applying this information, you are giving yourself the best opportunity to match up what you do naturally with your dynamic golf technique to two very important static set-up positions. When you do this correctly, your game will immediately improve with better ball contact and ball flight.

Certified Teaching Professional at the Pelican Hill Golf Club, Newport Coast, CA. Ranked as one of the best teachers in California & Hawaii by Golf Digest Titleist Performance Institute Certified www.youtube.com/uranser

14 Comments

14 Comments

  1. Amit

    May 27, 2015 at 12:50 pm

    Thank you! Finally someone has clarified these concepts in a way that is easy to understand. I started playing about 11 months ago and the “proper” way has never worked for me.

    Hoping you can answer another question related to ball position/bottom of swing arc. Does ones release pattern (early/mid/late) also play a role in positioning the ball? If so, can you elaborate on how to think about the release patterns for the various hip and shoulder positions you describe.

    I wish more golf instructors could explain concepts like you do. Thanks again!

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  3. craig@tourimpactgolf.com

    Oct 8, 2013 at 8:58 am

    These are my favorite types of articles. Ones that explain how to personally adopt and tailor the instruction. I always seemed to strike better when playing with slightly closed club face. Now I know why. Thanks for this article……craig

  4. BT

    Sep 22, 2013 at 1:49 am

    This is a great article. I’m a 5 HC with moderate swing speed. I have slow hips and have always been pretty square to the ball at impact. Through trial and error I figured out that a weak grip works best for me. I draw every club using a weak grip. There is so much confusion in golf instruction about the grip and how open the hips should be at impact. Many things you read tells you to turn hard with your body and use a strong grip. This simply does not work for a lot of people and I’m glad to see this article explaining what I had to figure out over many years on my own. After reading this I’m going to check my ball position to make sure it’s correct as well.

  5. Anne

    Sep 21, 2013 at 2:02 pm

    Excellent article. Great visuals!!. Look forward to reading your next article.

  6. Jay

    Sep 21, 2013 at 12:48 am

    Great info that makes a lot of sense. Getting better as a golfer comes from raising your golf IQ as high as possible and this is a great example of how even the basics like grip and ball position aren’t as basic as we think.

  7. Mr Ted Cronk

    Sep 19, 2013 at 7:57 pm

    Correction; …’but had NOT really contemplated the relationship of the grip to both’.

  8. Mr Ted Cronk

    Sep 19, 2013 at 7:56 pm

    Two thumbs up here. I’ve been grappling with ball position and body position but had really contemplated the relationship of the grip to both.

    Appreciate this article. Clarification and illumination. Well done.

    Ted

  9. Joel

    Sep 19, 2013 at 2:41 pm

    So here is an interesting question. At what position do you put the golf bag in which to swing at? Assume neutral and in the middle of your stance? Or were your CURRENTLY line up the ball to identify a fault in the swing?

    It seems like an interesting drill but were I’m at at the middle of my stance and were I’m at through impact depending on the club may be hugely different.

    I’m not knocking the article in anyway, I think its an interesting idea.

    • Tim

      Sep 20, 2013 at 2:07 am

      Joel…great comments and observations! I would answer your post with the following.

      1. Let’s define the bag position for this exercise to be executed like you are hitting a 7 iron. Over 80% of my Models…Touring Professionals, who have more neutral or proper technique than most of us :)…play the ball position for their 7 irons underneath their target ear. That’s our definition for a neutral starting point, or where we should place the bag for this exercise.

      2. Most of our golf swings have a personality…whether you’re hitting your 7 iron, or your driver, the dynamics of your swing really don’t change that much. We see that all the time on TV. All of Tiger’s full swing motions look very similar. So while the club might change the address position and bottom of the swing arc due to a different lengthed golf club, the dynamics of our swing (in this case, how much our chest faces the target) stays very similar.

      3. Unfortunately this exercise will not likely fix the other flaws we have in our golf swings. It simply identifies one very important component of the golf swing, our instinctive body rotation position on the downswing, and helps us maximize that dynamic motion to two important static pieces in our set up. We can, and still need to improve the other technical flaws in our golf swing. BUT, by matching up these important components in our golf technique, we eliminate the need for more athleticism in our golfing motion.

      I hope I understood your comments. Feel free to add more if I’m way off base!

  10. ryan

    Sep 19, 2013 at 12:03 pm

    Great tip. I would love it if you could do a video on this and post it on youtube. It would help people understand it better and have a video to go back to for a reminder every season. I really think this will make a great video.

  11. AJ Jensen

    Sep 19, 2013 at 10:20 am

    Interesting article. So much of golf how-to seems to be focused on “do it this way and no other,” rather than helping golfers discover ways to adapt their own individual style into the game.

    • Tim

      Sep 20, 2013 at 1:27 am

      I agree AJ…that’s one of the major quandaries we all face while trying to improve our golf games. The evil answer, there is no right answer. You can learn the more “Proper” way, or you can learn your own, personalized game. Both ways have produced Major Champions in the game’s history. Ultimately, instinctively, I believe we all play more of our own, personalized game of golf, with varying degrees of “Properness”. Unfortunately, the less “Proper” our technique, the more athletic we have to be to over come our “Unproperness”. Having said that, I believe every great golf champion has applied this information, and others like it, through trail and error, to their own golf game. The more you can apply personalized pieces of “medicine” to your golf game, the more you will execute golf shots in an instinctive manner. Under pressure, I think that’s what we’re all looking for. Quite the Catch 22 if I do say so myself! Good luck in finding your right mix.

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The Wedge Guy: Beating the yips into submission

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There may be no more painful affliction in golf than the “yips” – those uncontrollable and maddening little nervous twitches that prevent you from making a decent stroke on short putts. If you’ve never had them, consider yourself very fortunate (or possibly just very young). But I can assure you that when your most treacherous and feared golf shot is not the 195 yard approach over water with a quartering headwind…not the extra tight fairway with water left and sand right…not the soft bunker shot to a downhill pin with water on the other side…No, when your most feared shot is the remaining 2- 4-foot putt after hitting a great approach, recovery or lag putt, it makes the game almost painful.

And I’ve been fighting the yips (again) for a while now. It’s a recurring nightmare that has haunted me most of my adult life. I even had the yips when I was in my 20s, but I’ve beat them into submission off and on most of my adult life. But just recently, that nasty virus came to life once again. My lag putting has been very good, but when I get over one of those “you should make this” length putts, the entire nervous system seems to go haywire. I make great practice strokes, and then the most pitiful short-stroke or jab at the ball you can imagine. Sheesh.

But I’m a traditionalist, and do not look toward the long putter, belly putter, cross-hand, claw or other variation as the solution. My approach is to beat those damn yips into submission some other way. Here’s what I’m doing that is working pretty well, and I offer it to all of you who might have a similar affliction on the greens.

When you are over a short putt, forget the practice strokes…you want your natural eye-hand coordination to be unhindered by mechanics. Address your putt and take a good look at the hole, and back to the putter to ensure good alignment. Lighten your right hand grip on the putter and make sure that only the fingertips are in contact with the grip, to prevent you from getting to tight.

Then, take a long, long look at the hole to fill your entire mind and senses with the target. When you bring your head/eyes back to the ball, try to make a smooth, immediate move right into your backstroke — not even a second pause — and then let your hands and putter track right back together right back to where you were looking — the HOLE! Seeing the putter make contact with the ball, preferably even the forward edge of the ball – the side near the hole.

For me, this is working, but I am asking all of you to chime in with your own “home remedies” for the most aggravating and senseless of all golf maladies. It never hurts to have more to fall back on!

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Looking for a good golf instructor? Use this checklist

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Over the last couple of decades, golf has become much more science-based. We measure swing speed, smash factor, angle of attack, strokes gained, and many other metrics that can really help golfers improve. But I often wonder if the advancement of golf’s “hard” sciences comes at the expense of the “soft” sciences.

Take, for example, golf instruction. Good golf instruction requires understanding swing mechanics and ball flight. But let’s take that as a given for PGA instructors. The other factors that make an instructor effective can be evaluated by social science, rather than launch monitors.

If you are a recreational golfer looking for a golf instructor, here are my top three points to consider.

1. Cultural mindset

What is “cultural mindset? To social scientists, it means whether a culture of genius or a culture of learning exists. In a golf instruction context, that may mean whether the teacher communicates a message that golf ability is something innate (you either have it or you don’t), or whether golf ability is something that can be learned. You want the latter!

It may sound obvious to suggest that you find a golf instructor who thinks you can improve, but my research suggests that it isn’t a given. In a large sample study of golf instructors, I found that when it came to recreational golfers, there was a wide range of belief systems. Some instructors strongly believed recreational golfers could improve through lessons. while others strongly believed they could not. And those beliefs manifested in the instructor’s feedback given to a student and the culture created for players.

2. Coping and self-modeling can beat role-modeling

Swing analysis technology is often preloaded with swings of PGA and LPGA Tour players. The swings of elite players are intended to be used for comparative purposes with golfers taking lessons. What social science tells us is that for novice and non-expert golfers, comparing swings to tour professionals can have the opposite effect of that intended. If you fit into the novice or non-expert category of golfer, you will learn more and be more motivated to change if you see yourself making a ‘better’ swing (self-modeling) or seeing your swing compared to a similar other (a coping model). Stay away from instructors who want to compare your swing with that of a tour player.

3. Learning theory basics

It is not a sexy selling point, but learning is a process, and that process is incremental – particularly for recreational adult players. Social science helps us understand this element of golf instruction. A good instructor will take learning slowly. He or she will give you just about enough information that challenges you, but is still manageable. The artful instructor will take time to decide what that one or two learning points are before jumping in to make full-scale swing changes. If the instructor moves too fast, you will probably leave the lesson with an arm’s length of swing thoughts and not really know which to focus on.

As an instructor, I develop a priority list of changes I want to make in a player’s technique. We then patiently and gradually work through that list. Beware of instructors who give you more than you can chew.

So if you are in the market for golf instruction, I encourage you to look beyond the X’s and O’s to find the right match!

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What Lottie Woad’s stunning debut win teaches every golfer

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Most pros take months, even years, to win their first tournament. Lottie Woad needed exactly four days.

The 21-year-old from Surrey shot 21-under 267 at Dundonald Links to win the ISPS Handa Women’s Scottish Open by three shots — in her very first event as a professional. She’s only the third player in LPGA history to accomplish this feat, joining Rose Zhang (2023) and Beverly Hanson (1951).

But here’s what caught my attention as a coach: Woad didn’t win through miraculous putting or bombing 300-yard drives. She won through relentless precision and unshakeable composure. After watching her performance unfold, I’m convinced every golfer — from weekend warriors to scratch players — can steal pages from her playbook.

Precision Beats Power (And It’s Not Even Close)

Forget the driving contests. Woad proved that finding greens matters more than finding distance.

What Woad did:

• Hit it straight, hit it solid, give yourself chances

• Aimed for the fat parts of greens instead of chasing pins

• Let her putting do the talking after hitting safe targets

• As she said, “Everyone was chasing me today, and managed to maintain the lead and played really nicely down the stretch and hit a lot of good shots”

Why most golfers mess this up:

• They see a pin tucked behind a bunker and grab one more club to “go right at it”

• Distance becomes more important than accuracy

• They try to be heroic instead of smart

ACTION ITEM: For your next 10 rounds, aim for the center of every green regardless of pin position. Track your greens in regulation and watch your scores drop before your swing changes.

The Putter That Stayed Cool Under Fire

Woad started the final round two shots clear and immediately applied pressure with birdies at the 2nd and 3rd holes. When South Korea’s Hyo Joo Kim mounted a charge and reached 20-under with a birdie at the 14th, Woad didn’t panic.

How she responded to pressure:

• Fired back with consecutive birdies at the 13th and 14th

• Watched Kim stumble with back-to-back bogeys

• Capped it with her fifth birdie of the day at the par-5 18th

• Stayed patient when others pressed, pressed when others cracked

What amateurs do wrong:

• Get conservative when they should be aggressive

• Try to force magic when steady play would win

• Panic when someone else makes a move

ACTION ITEM: Practice your 3-6 foot putts for 15 minutes after every range session. Woad’s putting wasn’t spectacular—it was reliable. Make the putts you should make.

Course Management 101: Play Your Game, Not the Course’s Game

Woad admitted she couldn’t see many scoreboards during the final round, but it didn’t matter. She stuck to her game plan regardless of what others were doing.

Her mental approach:

• Focused on her process, not the competition

• Drew on past pressure situations (Augusta National Women’s Amateur win)

• As she said, “That was the biggest tournament I played in at the time and was kind of my big win. So definitely felt the pressure of it more there, and I felt like all those experiences helped me with this”

Her physical execution:

• 270-yard drives (nothing flashy)

• Methodical iron play

• Steady putting

• Everything effective, nothing spectacular

ACTION ITEM: Create a yardage book for your home course. Know your distances to every pin, every hazard, every landing area. Stick to your plan no matter what your playing partners are doing.

Mental Toughness Isn’t Born, It’s Built

The most impressive part of Woad’s win? She genuinely didn’t expect it: “I definitely wasn’t expecting to win my first event as a pro, but I knew I was playing well, and I was hoping to contend.”

Her winning mindset:

• Didn’t put winning pressure on herself

• Focused on playing well and contending

• Made winning a byproduct of a good process

• Built confidence through recent experiences:

  • Won the Women’s Irish Open as an amateur
  • Missed a playoff by one shot at the Evian Championship
  • Each experience prepared her for the next

What this means for you:

• Stop trying to shoot career rounds every time you tee up

• Focus on executing your pre-shot routine

• Commit to every shot

• Stay present in the moment

ACTION ITEM: Before each round, set process goals instead of score goals. Example: “I will take three practice swings before every shot” or “I will pick a specific target for every shot.” Let your score be the result, not the focus.

The Real Lesson

Woad collected $300,000 for her first professional victory, but the real prize was proving that fundamentals still work at golf’s highest level. She didn’t reinvent the game — she simply executed the basics better than everyone else that week.

The fundamentals that won:

• Hit more fairways

• Find more greens

• Make the putts you should make

• Stay patient under pressure

That’s something every golfer can do, regardless of handicap. Lottie Woad just showed us it’s still the winning formula.

FINAL ACTION ITEM: Pick one of the four action items above and commit to it for the next month. Master one fundamental before moving to the next. That’s how champions are built.

 

PGA Professional Brendon Elliott is an award-winning coach and golf writer. You can check out his writing work and learn more about him by visiting BEAGOLFER.golf and OneMoreRollGolf.com. Also, check out “The Starter” on RG.org each Monday.

 

Editor’s note: Brendon shares his nearly 30 years of experience in the game with GolfWRX readers through his ongoing tip series. He looks forward to providing valuable insights and advice to help golfers improve their game. Stay tuned for more Tips!

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