Equipment
You can see inside Cobra’s King LTD drivers and fairway woods
It’s been more than a decade since the release of golf’s first adjustable driver. In that time, equipment manufacturers have gone to great lengths to inform golfers of the performance benefits of the gizmos on the outside of their clubs. What few golfers realize, however, is that important changes have also been made on the inside.
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- The King LTD drivers were created with technology developed through a partnership with CASIS, the Center for the Advancement of Science in Space. “Ark 2” is the second series of research investigations brokered by CASIS to the International Space Station (ISS) U.S. National Laboratory.
With its King LTD drivers and fairway woods, Cobra offers golfers a glimpse inside its new clubs in a way that the company hopes will not only further their understanding of its aerospace-inspired technologies, but also further their ability to hit longer, straighter shots as well.
Here’s what you need to know about the new clubs: Cobra’s King LTD driver ($449), King LTD Pro driver ($449) and King LTD fairway woods ($299). They’re in stores Nov 13.
King LTD Drivers
- Two Models: Cobra’s King LTD drivers are offered in two models, King LTD and King LTD Pro, but they use the same head design. The difference is that they have distinct loft and lie settings. The King LTD can be configured to lofts between 9 and 11.5 degrees and has more upright “draw” settings, while the King LTD Pro can be configured to lofts between 7 and 10 degrees and has flatter “fade” settings.
The King LTD uses Cobra’s “Speed Channel,” a channel around the perimeter of the club face that improves ball speed on off-center hits.
- Key Features: The two most notable new features are a removable “Spaceport” sole weight and a “Textreme” Carbon Fiber Crown, both of which reposition weight lower and deeper in the club head to help golfers increase launch angle, lower spin rate, and improve ball speed on off-center hits.
- Spaceport is a 16-gram removable weight made of aerospace-grade aluminum and a clear polycarbonate material that allows golfers to see inside the driver head. It’s secured with “Spiralock,” a thread technology that was developed for high loads and high vibrations.
Spiralock helps lower the center of gravity of the King LTD driver, saving approximately 6 grams of weight from the design.
- Take It Off: Spiralock sheds light on the technologies inside the club head when it’s removed, but it’s not just for looks. Most removable weight systems require additional material inside the club head to hold weight weight in place, says Cobra VP of R&D Tom Olsavsky. Spiralock’s design eliminates the need for such supportive structures.
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- At address: The King LTD driver has a glossy black finish and an orange Cobra alignment aid.
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- Can you see the Textreme pattern?
- Crowning the King: Cobra has used carbon fiber crowns in previous models, but the King LTD drivers mark the first time the company has used a carbon fiber material called Textreme. Textreme is 20 percent stronger than standard carbon fiber, which allowed the company to make the crown thinner and lighter. If you look closely, you’ll see the patterned Textreme finish on the crown of the drivers.
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- A key allows golfers to remove the Spaceport with the included torque wrench.
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- Wrench included
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- The key goes inside.
- A Material Change: Cobra used Ti-811 titanium for the bodies and faces of the new drivers, which is stronger and lighter than the 6-4 titanium used on previous models. Because of the strength difference, the company had to redesign its E9 face technology, which uses varying face thicknesses on the internal portion of the club face to improve ball speed on off-center hits. As shown below, the structure can be viewed when the Spaceport is removed.
A view of Cobra’s E9 face technology from the inside.
- 28 Grams: Cobra claims that the new design elements allocate 28 grams of additional weight to be redistributed lower and deeper in the club head. That creates a higher moment of inertia (MOI), a measure of ball speed retention on mishits, as well as a lower center of gravity (CG). According to Olsavsky, the King LTD and King LTD Pro mark the first time a driver has achieved a CG below the “neutral axis,” a perpendicular line extending rearward from the geometric center of the club face.
- Tungsten and Tuning: The drivers come stock with a 12-gram tungsten weight installed internally in a rear weight port. Along with the Spaceport, it can be adjusted to meet custom swing weight requirements and/or custom shafts.
- Stock Shaft and Grip: Both the King LTD and King LTD Pro drivers come stock with Aldila’s Rogue Black 60 shaft (R, S and X flexes) and Lamkin’s UTX grip (0.600 diameter, 52 grams)
King LTD Fairway Woods
- The King LTD is a mid-sized fairway wood with a Textreme Carbon Fiber Crown that is 15 grams lighter than its steel equivalent.
- Like the King LTD driver, the fairway wood has a removable Spaceport that repositions weight lower in the head for better performance and allows golfers to see inside the club head.
- The fairway woods have 475 stainless steel faces, which are thinner and stronger than the 465 stainless steel faces used on the company’s Fly-Z and Fly-Z+ fairway woods. They’re designed to produce ball speeds at the USGA’s legal limit for center hits.
- A 12-gram weight is positioned in front of the fairway wood’s Spaceport to help golfers improve ball speed and reduce spin.
- The King LTD fairway woods are available in two models: 3-4 (13-15.5 degrees) and 5-7 (16-18.5 degrees). The come stock with Aldila’s Rogue Black 60 shaft (R, S and X flexes).
See what GolfWRX Members are saying about the King LTD drivers in our forum.
In a golf world where players are looking to eke out every yard possible, usually by lengthening their drivers to add clubhead speed, there’s one player at the PGA Championship who’s going in the opposite direction. In fact, for Rickie Fowler, his goal off the tee is not about gaining extra distance or yards north to south, but rather about shrinking the misses from east to west.
Ahead of the PGA Championship and the week prior at the Truist Championship. Fowler mentioned to Cobra Tour Rep Ben Schomin that the driver didn’t quite swing feel the same as everything in the bag. As a result, and with Schomin’s suggestion to try and sync everything up with the big stick, Fowler decided to test out a shorter length shaft.
“He’s been at 45 (inches), and he’d been at 45 for a few weeks, 44 1/8 (inches) is really is where he is been living really for the most part, for the last couple of years, and is where he is been comfortable,” Schomin told GolfWRX. “It just felt like it was a little long and loose on him.”
Interestingly, Fowler ranks 40th in Driving Accuracy this year on the PGA Tour. It’s his most accurate season with the driver since the start of the decade. But sometimes for players, feel is more important than statistics.
“It was really more of a trying to get the swing to feel the fluidness from club to club to club to try to get it to feel the same,” Schomin added. “And so we took it down to 43 and a quarter, and it was a touch of a ball speed loss, just based on that overall club head speed. But honestly, he squared it up probably a little better. The right miss wasn’t nearly as far. So really, overall down-range dispersion tightened up a fair amount, and he felt confident in swinging it.”
The change in length had Fowler’s caddie, Ricky Romano, beaming at how well he had driven during Tuesday’s practice round at Aronimink. So much so, he was asking Schomin not to suggest changes anymore.
Fowler’s shaft-shortening is one of a few driver adjustments he’s made this season, and to Schomin’s credit, it’s thanks to the fact that he and the rest of the Cobra team had Fowler fit very well into three of the four heads in the Cobra OPTM lineup.
“He had three distinct drivers and the biggest decision was trying to decide which worked best at that time,” Schomin told GolfWRX previously. “He’s played the majority of the season with OPTM X, but has also played a couple of tournaments with OPTM LS. His overall driving stats have been good.”
At the RBC Heritage earlier this spring, Fowler switched drivers, changing from his Cobra OPTM X and into the Tour, low-loft Max K model that Gary Woodland used to win just a few weeks prior.
Now for the PGA Championship, Fowler’s back in the X head, but still using the UST Mamiya LIN-Q PowerCore White 6TX shaft, just a little bit shorter.
“Will he stay there? I’m not sure,” Schomin added. “Could we end up say at like 43 and 7.5 (of an inch). If it’s giving him the same feel of consistency through the bag, then I think we might end up just a touch longer. But if he likes where he is at, he’s confident where he is at, that’s really all that matters.”
If there’s more testing, though, just don’t tell his caddie.
What you need to know: As is customary for the Fairhaven-based company, Titleist officially announced today that its GTS drivers are headed to retail, following a successful tour release. The GTS2, GTS3, and GTS4 drivers will be available in golf shops June 11.
Since debuting at the Texas Children’s Houston Open, the new GTS lineup has quickly gained traction on the PGA Tour, with more than 50 players already making the switch to a GTS2, GTS3, or GTS4 driver. Among them are Justin Thomas and Jordan Spieth.
Justin Thomas’ Titleist GTS2 driver (Greg Moore, GolfWRX)
According to Titleist, the GTS series builds upon the performance foundation established by the GT Series, while introducing several major technological advancements, including a new Split Mass Frame construction, refined aerodynamics, and an updated Speed Sync face design.
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Split Mass Frame and thermoform body
At the center of the new GTS lineup is a redesigned internal structure: the Split Mass Frame. This technology works with a full-thermoform body made from Titleist’s Proprietary Matrix Polymer (PMP), a lightweight composite that enables engineers to reposition mass more efficiently throughout the head. Compared to the previous GT generation, GTS drivers feature nearly double the PMP material, increasing from 13 grams to 26 grams, while maintaining the sound and feel preferred by better players.
The weight savings from the thermoform construction allowed Titleist engineers to strategically separate mass placement inside the head. Specifically, more weight is pushed rearward to improve stability and forgiveness, while additional mass is positioned low and forward to optimize speed, launch, and spin.
In short, golfers are able to maintain ball speed and consistency across both centered and off-center strikes.
Faster aerodynamics
Titleist also refined the aerodynamic shaping of the GTS heads to help players generate more clubhead speed.
The tails of the new GTS2 and GTS3 heads have been raised compared to previous models, helping airflow stay attached to the crown and sole longer during the swing. According to Titleist, the improved airflow reduces drag and increases speed without affecting launch conditions or center of gravity placement.
Typically, aerodynamic gains can compromise forgiveness or launch characteristics, but the weight savings from the Split Mass Frame allowed engineers to preserve preferred CG locations.
New Speed Sync face
The new Speed Sync Face design is engineered to improve ball speed retention across a larger portion of the face. A reinforced perimeter structure helps maximize face deflection and COR on centered strikes, while the upper portion of the support ring is opened up to increase speed on high-face impacts, a common strike location for many golfers. The face also features a variable thickness design to preserve speed and performance across a wider impact area.
Expanded adjustability
Each GTS model includes a dual-weighting system to fine-tune launch, spin, and shot shape more precisely than previous generations. GTS2 uses interchangeable forward and aft weights, while GTS3 and GTS4 combine a rear weight with an adjustable forward track weight system.
Tour-inspired face graphics
The new lineup features redesigned high-contrast face graphics to improve alignment and framing at address, according to Titleist. Sharp visual lines are designed to make it easier to center the golf ball and to perceive loft more easily at setup.
Additional model details
GTS2
- The GTS2 is the most forgiving model, designed for golfers seeking maximum stability and consistent speed across the face.
- It produces high launch with mid spin and features a larger, confidence-inspiring profile behind the ball.
- Standard weighting includes an 11-gram forward weight and a 5-gram rear weight, with additional fitting configurations available.
GTS3
- The GTS3 is aimed at players who want more control over launch, spin, and shot shaping.
- Compared to GTS2, the GTS3 offers lower launch and spin while featuring a more compact profile and deeper face design preferred by many stronger players.
- The head features an adjustable forward-track weight system to further fine-tune center of gravity placement.
GTS4
- The lowest-spinning option in the lineup, GTS4 is built for golfers looking to reduce excessive spin and maximize total distance.
- Unlike previous “4” models from Titleist, the new GTS4 features a full 460cc profile that improves forgiveness and stability while retaining its low-spin DNA.
- Like GTS3, it includes a forward track weighting system for precise fitting adjustments.
What Titleist says
“When we talk about driver design, it’s never about the one feature or benefit — it’s about all of them,” said Stephanie Luttrell, Titleist’s Senior Director of Metalwood R&D. “Ball speed, forgiveness, spin stability, adjustability, exceptional sound and feel… these are all attributes that golfers care about. It’s our job to design a lineup that elevates performance across the board without sacrificing in key areas, and we feel we’ve done that with GTS.”
“We know that forward CGs drive speed with great launch and spin characteristics, but you need to be able to do that with an inertial stability that still preserves ball speed, launch and spin consistency on off-center hits,” Luttrell said. “We’ve never before been able to hit these CG positions and inertia properties at the same time, and we’re achieving that because of GTS’ construction.”
Club Junkie’s take
I feel like every time there is a new Titleist wood release, I figure they can’t outdo their previous driver. And every year, I am wrong and impressed with the performance. The GTS fits right into that narrative again, as I didn’t know where Titleist could go from GT, but they pushed the limits again, and my fitting proved the smart people there found ways to improve.
My past four Titleist drivers have been a 2 series as my swing typically requires a little height, spin, and forgiveness so I figured I would just get a new GTS2 and be on my way. During the fitting, I was impressed by the new GTS construction, its added PMP material, and the advanced adjustability on each model. My fitter, Joey, got to work putting together a GTS2 and we started there. The launch and spin were great, and the consistency on misses was very tight. My average ball speed with the GTS went up a little bit as the new Speed Sync face creates more speed away from the center.
Joey then built up a GTS3 in 11 degrees, but I figured this wouldn’t have the stability I needed for tight dispersion on my miss hits. That thought was quickly erased after a few shots, and I really liked the more center start line and reduced draw on the misses I was seeing. We tried a few different settings and shafts to dial in the details in order to get the best fit. Having a forward and rear weight in the head allowed Joey to set up the GTS3 with a heavier rear weight to keep the launch and spin up, while the Sure Fit hosel set flat created a more center start line for me. My misses were not nearly as far left, and I was really impressed with the consistency on the spin and launch when I didn’t hit it in the center.
Titleist again created a wood line in GTS that delivers improvements over previous drivers while keeping the traditional look and feel you expect. More adjustability, better off-center speed, and 3 drivers that are playable over a wider range of players should make these extremely successful in fittings.
Pricing, specs, availability
GTS2 lofts: 8, 9, 10, 11 degrees (RH/LH)
GTS3 lofts: 8, 9, 10, 11 degrees (RH/LH)
GTS4 lofts: 8, 9, 10 (RH/LH)
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Available for fittings and pre-sale now.
In golf shops worldwide beginning June 11.
Price: $699 (standard), $899 (premium)
Titleist has today introduced its new GTS2 and GTS3 fairways.
Lower and deeper center of gravity (CG) positions, new adjustable heel-toe weights and advanced clubface innovations drive total performance in the two tour-proven models.
- Tour-inspired polished clubfaces: To help players see more of the clubface at address.
GTS2 Fairway
The new GTS2 fairway is designed with a shallower face and a larger profile than GTS3, ideal for players with more sweeping deliveries with their fairway metals.
GTS2’s new face height, inspired by tour feedback, was designed shallower than the prior generation GT2 model and more in line with the GT1 fairway. Each loft in GTS2 leverages a shallower profile except for the 13.5-degree, which maintains a slightly taller face.
With its new dual-weighting system, the ‘2’ model now has heel-toe CG adjustability.
Lofts: 13.5, 15.0, 16.5, 18.0, 21.0
Dual-weight system: 11-gram weight in heel, 5-gram weight in toe (standard)
GTS3 Fairway
The new GTS3 fairway is designed with a deeper face and a more compact profile, ideal for players who hit down on the golf ball more with their fairway metals.
New to the GTS3 family is a 21-degree offering, giving players two distinct profiles in Titleist’s 7-wood loft.
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John
Aug 24, 2015 at 8:45 am
Golfers must be the most gullible people on the planet. No high tech innovation is going to help you if you’ve got a swing like a demented lumberjack hacking at a trees tump. Take some lessons, practice when you can and stick with what’s worked for you in the past. A $500 driver is only going to make you poorer not better.
Just Wondering
Aug 24, 2015 at 1:46 am
Would it sell better if they installed a Magic 8 Ball feature in the window? “Will I shank this drive? It is decidedly so.”
ooffa
Aug 24, 2015 at 7:23 pm
You made my day. Great comment, I laughed hard.
Mac n Cheese
Aug 26, 2015 at 2:35 pm
It wouldn’t be hard, crack open a magic 8 ball, poor the fluid in the head, assuming it is air tight, along with the answer thing and done! now you have the Cobra King magic 8 driver…
john
Aug 19, 2015 at 8:44 pm
gee that’s ugly lol
shame about the grip too, utx’s are greasy as hell and wear out in like a fortnight especially on a driver!
Regis
Aug 19, 2015 at 4:12 pm
I’m a Senior with an 85 mph swing speed and I have good fundamentals. I’ve been playing and tinkering with all sorts of shafts for many years. Two years ago I got fitted for a SLDR and the hype notwithstanding when I set it up properly it more than lived up to its hype. Years ago I gamed a ZL encore and in all fairness I could have stuck with that for the rest of my life and been fine. But you know the drill. So when the price dropped on the “new” Cobra Fly Z (which topped the list in a lot of reviews) I had to take the plunge. Put a GD Tour AD shaft on it that never worked on the SLDR or any other toy in my arsenal but on paper should have been perfect. Anyway put it on the Fly Z and never have I had a club that performed so well. Aside from forgiveness, feel, distance, I can actually work the ball, flight it in the wind, do what I want. I feel like a “Playa”. So naturally, I’ve had my eye on the FLY Z + because well because. Now this come the King LTD. Anyway If you’ve never played a Cobra don’t be put off by the colors or the hype. Their technology is as good as any manufacturer out there.
Peter Hostrup
Aug 26, 2015 at 5:06 pm
Agree!!! Had the R11 with a oban devotion 6-4 stiff but my mates started outdriving me with their Titleists 913 blueboards, so – “had to” go shopping. Bought the Fly Z + fitted with a GD Tour ad stiff. My SS is 102 – my mates are no longer outdriving me and I’m more often on the short grass!!!
Great driver(and shaft)
dcorun
Aug 19, 2015 at 2:24 pm
I’ll compare it to my current driver the RBZ Stage 2 Bonded w/ Accra Fx150 shaft and see how it goes. Nothing has come close in the past 2 years plus to knock it out of the bag. It’ll probably look like Shane Lowry’s driver before I buy a new one. 🙂
Matt Wiseley
Aug 19, 2015 at 2:20 pm
I think the club looks great and Rouge Black shaft as standard option is really nice.
My question- can I fill the head with something to make it hit farther? Kind of like how we used to load aluminum bats in high school?
Mac n Cheese
Aug 26, 2015 at 2:28 pm
I see this happening. tons of mods for packing it full of weight to maximize distance…
StressDoc
Aug 19, 2015 at 11:41 am
Most of the head changes provide minimal distance or control for the average golfer..it’s in the shaft that there is control or power.
Teaj
Aug 20, 2015 at 8:35 am
ummmm… yes the shaft plays a part for sure but I have to say that the tech in the head is a little more valuable then the shaft, mind you the shaft has to be close to fit, if im swinging a SR shaft with a 114mph SS then yes it will matter.
Mat
Aug 19, 2015 at 11:23 am
Cobra is on a winning streak. That said, anyone who knows their stuff knows that waiting ~8 months is worth a huge, steep discount. I hope Cobra start valuing their own stuff a little better.
Semi
Aug 19, 2015 at 8:04 am
The suggested retail price for a new Rogue black is $449…that’s on the website. These shafts can’t be the real deal – can they?
Teaj
Aug 20, 2015 at 8:30 am
if you are purchasing 1 shaft from Aldila the $449 price point makes sense. this being a stock shaft they will be purchasing large quantities as it will be stock in both the standard King and Pro so I am sure they get a little break on the price.
example. company X puts out a list price on a bag of cement, if I the general public go to the store I will be paying list price. If a contractor goes to the manufacture he will most likely receive a percentage off of this list price which can range depending on the product being purchased and the amount of margin built into the list price of such product.
alan
Sep 7, 2015 at 10:49 pm
I hope you understand that there is a TREMENDOUS difference between a real deal, after market shaft and an OEM (original equipment manufacture) shaft.
Yes it’s a Rogue Black, BUT IT IS NOT A $449 shaft. It is a collaboration between the club maker and shaft company. The bend point, torque. tip stiffness, bend profile, and materials are different from the after market shaft. The way it is described is the design is proprietary to in this case Cobra. That is a nice way of saying scaled back.
Hey, It is still a lot better than the average stock shaft, BUT get real !!!
Cobra is not installing a $449 shaft in a $449 club. The head is not free.
All of the high end shaft makers are doing this BECAUSE THEY DO NOT SELL ENOUGH OF THEIR AFTER MARKET SHAFTS to remain economically viable, stay in business. They cannot turn down a request by Cobra or any of the big club makers to produce 10 or 20 thousand watered-down shafts.
I hope you will find this helpful.
Jack
Aug 25, 2015 at 5:18 am
Nope. It usually comes with a made for tag on it. Not really the same thing (supposedly). But with the huge margins they have on these shafts, maybe that is the only difference?
David
Aug 19, 2015 at 5:48 am
* to make a dollar
David
Aug 19, 2015 at 5:47 am
Just another golf gimmick the make a dollar. More junk you will see on the bargain racks in a couple years.
Chris
Aug 19, 2015 at 2:49 am
Just great!
And what’s the release date for the see-through shaft? I just can’t wait.
Teaj
Aug 20, 2015 at 8:24 am
speed holes lol why didn’t I think of that.
Ron Burgundy
Aug 18, 2015 at 5:27 pm
I have tried them all and the Fly Z+ has suited me the best. A top 100 club fitter I know who is not in any way affiliated with Cobra told me the have the best R&D department. The Fly Z+ is awesome. It feels like the ball explodes off the face and is as low spinning as anything I have hit. I had an SLDR custom fit before that driver and the Cobra is way better on miss hits. It may not be quite as long but I hit way more fairways and am way more consistent. Also IMO it feels way better. I am interested in trying this and I think it is cool, but I highly doubt it will beat the Fly z+ for me. Cobras issue is that they do not have the fitting carts that the other big manufacturers do. Do not knock until you try. Every one of my friends that has hit the Cobra has ended up buying one. The are scratch to plus handicaps. Real deal boys!
Cliff
Aug 19, 2015 at 9:15 am
Love good facial explosions!
Steve P
Aug 18, 2015 at 1:40 pm
If the acoustics of the club are decent, it’s going to be a big hit.
It’s got that same kind of uniqueness that products like the bubble shaft, 2 Ball putter, R7 and R11 drivers, etc. etc. that made golfers want to learn more about it. If it performs and doesn’t sound horrible, think of clubs like the Nike Sumo Squared or Callaway C4, Cobra will have a winner.
Chuck
Aug 18, 2015 at 10:15 pm
After the usual “What about hot melt?” thought passed, I immediately thought about sound. My thing with hot melt as much as anything was about deadening the sound of a 460cc head. But with a composite crown, this thing should already have a good sound…
I see some interesting, if not new, technology in this. I would very happily and eagerly demo this driver!
LD
Aug 18, 2015 at 11:08 am
Shark. Jumped.
joe
Aug 18, 2015 at 10:39 am
I actually like the look of this driver….but once you put hotmelt in it…its gonna look like it has some gunk inside the head lol
Leon
Aug 18, 2015 at 10:18 am
Great! I can get some beers, candies or even a bottle of 5 hour energy hidden inside this club head. Nice container that charges for $499.
Mo
Aug 18, 2015 at 9:47 am
Reminds me of the old King Cobra days. That was a great driver and it looks like Cobra has hit another home run.
Mike
Aug 18, 2015 at 9:20 am
I’m pretty happy with my Fly Z + right now and have not found anything that can beat it. I do like the looks of these new models however but not enough to switch. I just don’t see myself getting anything more out of a new driver than my current Fly Z +
tom
Aug 18, 2015 at 9:07 am
Wow…I can’t wait to try this. That is bad @ss.
bunty
Aug 18, 2015 at 8:52 am
that looks very good
redneckrooster
Aug 18, 2015 at 8:50 am
I like it but not the price.
Brian
Aug 18, 2015 at 9:36 am
Wait 6 months.
scott
Aug 19, 2015 at 1:57 pm
Just remember in that 6 months to a year when the price drops you will also have to avoid reading all the NEW information about why the NEW replacement driver is so much better…
Teaj
Aug 18, 2015 at 8:41 am
iv tested most of the Major Brands clubs and the Fly-Z Series mainly the + for me have been the best driver out there by far (for me anyways) if this new driver allows me to be more accurate with the addition of lowing spin I would love to take a crack at it.
its a shame more people don’t try Cobra drivers as they are pretty dam good. Having lost their coolness which they tried to gain back by adding many colours I think backfired for a sport that is very traditional.
Sr
Aug 18, 2015 at 11:04 am
The Seniors are loving Cobras
redneckrooster
Aug 18, 2015 at 4:14 pm
I sure like them.
By the way I’m a senior and I carry 245 with my ZL with stiff shaft .