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Identifying the two types of inside takeaways

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Aside from a lucky few, every golfer at one time or another has gotten into the habit of taking the club back too far to the inside, which causes the club to get “behind” a golfer’s hands and body at the belt-high position.

This move is usually a result of thinking that to draw the ball a golfer must work the club inside his or her target line on the takeaway. While this is not entirely true in order to hit a draw, do remember that a little goes a LONG way here! For most players, it is a good swing thought to allow the club to gently work to the inside because most players pick the club up to the top. But not everyone does that, so be careful.

These are two of the most common ways to move the club too far inside in route to belt-high:

  1. Over-rotation of the torso
  2. Over-rotation of the lead forearm during the takeaway

For the most part, here’s what the takeaway should look like:

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In a perfect world, we would like to see the club shaft at belt-high in the condition illustrated above, but remember it’s NOT imperative that the club swings into this position; it’s just a general checkpoint.

Over-rotating the torso

When you over-turn the torso at the start of your backswing, then your hands, club shaft and clubhead all get too far behind you; thus, you have placed yourself in an awkward position in order to reach the top without several compensations in your backswing plane.

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The action above can be linked to over-compensating ideas such as trying to keep the left shoulder working across your body in efforts to stop “dipping,” wanting to gain more power by overturning the whole torso or by trying to take the club back excessively inside in an attempt to hit the ball from right to left.

Any of these moves, in excess, will allow the shoulders to over-turn from the start of the backswing, allowing the club, hands and clubhead to get stuck too far behind the body.

From what I have read, the Tour Average for shoulder rotation to the belt-high position is somewhere around 20-to-25 degrees, while the average amateur’s rotational numbers for the same position are in the 40+ degree range. I’m not sure of the accuracy of these numbers, but it does show that many golfers have too much rotation early in the backswing.

If this sounds like a problem of yours, then my favorite fix is to concentrate on the idea of not allowing the right shoulder to get “behind” your torso during the first 2 feet of your backswing.

What this thought will do is keep the shoulders square to your target line for a fraction of a second longer and it will not allow your shoulders to over-rotate into the 9 o’clock position. You can also feel like your left shoulder is working more “down” to begin the backswing and not so much “across.” Either of these two swing thoughts will keep the club in a better position if you rotate your torso too much on the backswing.

Over-rotating the forearm

The second type of excessive inside takeaway happens when your clubhead is the only thing behind your body at the 9 o’clock position. If this happens to you, it’s usually safe to assume that your lead forearm rotation is the root of your overly inside takeaway position.

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When your left forearm turns too much clockwise during the takeaway, it causes your wrists to turn inward. So your hands will be on-plane, yet your clubhead will be grossly behind you. From what I tend to see, this action is usually caused from excessive grip pressure at address and this does not allow your wrists to hinge properly during the backswing.

The Fix

To fix this overactive left forearm, use your driver and choke up about halfway down the shaft. The correct position at “belt high” would be a club shaft that’s parallel and on top of the tip of your toes. Any added grip pressure here will exacerbate the probability that the clubhead will stay behind you too much. If you look down at belt high, you should see that the grip end of the club is on top of your toes. If it is pointing into right field somewhere, then the clubhead is too far behind your body and is overly inside!

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The first step in curing your inside takeaway is to identify where the problem originates. It’s either an over rotation of your torso or an overactive lead forearm. In diagnosing and curing this problem, use a mirror to audit your backswing feel and position. It’s this feel that you will use on the golf course so you’ll never get the club too far behind you again!

Tom F. Stickney II, is a specialist in Biomechanics for Golf, Physiology, and 3d Motion Analysis. He has a degree in Exercise and Fitness and has been a Director of Instruction for almost 30 years at resorts and clubs such as- The Four Seasons Punta Mita, BIGHORN Golf Club, The Club at Cordillera, The Promontory Club, and the Sandestin Golf and Beach Resort. His past and present instructional awards include the following: Golf Magazine Top 100 Teacher, Golf Digest Top 50 International Instructor, Golf Tips Top 25 Instructor, Best in State (Florida, Colorado, and California,) Top 20 Teachers Under 40, Best Young Teachers and many more. Tom is a Trackman University Master/Partner, a distinction held by less than 25 people in the world. Tom is TPI Certified- Level 1, Golf Level 2, Level 2- Power, and Level 2- Fitness and believes that you cannot reach your maximum potential as a player with out some focus on your physiology. You can reach him at tomstickneygolf@gmail.com and he welcomes any questions you may have.

21 Comments

21 Comments

  1. Chris

    Jul 13, 2016 at 2:30 pm

    Great article! I found myself trying to fix my inside takeaway under the assumption it was a hand position issue but I’m definitely just over-rotating my forearm!

  2. David Reilly

    Dec 2, 2014 at 5:30 pm

    Hi Tom,
    Does an over rotating torso takeaway make the shoulders turn on a flatter plane then a orthodox takeaway due to the right shoulder getting to far behind the player? Would that flaw be typical with this takeaway?

    Thank you.

    David

  3. Geoff Dickson

    Jul 26, 2014 at 11:26 pm

    Pulling the lead arm against the chest too much on the backswing. Is that another source of an inside takeaway that is not about over rotation of lead arm or the torso?

    • tom stickney

      Jul 27, 2014 at 10:55 am

      You could do so, but most of the chest follows the left shoulder and over-rotates…thx

  4. spinout

    Jul 24, 2014 at 3:32 am

    After the belt high position what is establishing the swing plane? I feel like if I take it straight up from there that I get across the line

    • Tom Stickney

      Jul 24, 2014 at 11:50 pm

      Club is on plane when it’s parallel to or pointing at the baseline of the inclined plane that’s just inside your golfball

  5. peter ruggles

    Jul 23, 2014 at 4:16 pm

    My fix is a tripod and camcorder directly behind me. Fixed a 40 year slice in 20 minutes. If you think you are swinging straight through you are coming outside-in. In baseball if you think you are swinging level you are upper-cutting. Same principal.

    • Tom Stickney

      Jul 24, 2014 at 11:51 pm

      Careful where the camera is located can give you faulty positions. Must be set on the hand path to see the belt high position perfectly.

  6. LY

    Jul 23, 2014 at 1:07 pm

    Tom:
    Excellent article. I’m 60 years old with a low single digit handicap. This is something I fight constantly, the over rotation of the left forearm. I have noticed it more since I have gotten older. I don’t know if I’m trying to hit it harder, and that’s what is causing me to over rotate or not. I have also seen my divots are not left of the target or at the target like they use to be, but going a little to the right of my intended target, which I think is an indication that I might be flipping it a little at the bottom. I have always hit a draw with every shot unless I have to curve it the other way. I’m going to try this drill and maybe it will get me back to the way I swung the club a few years ago.

    • tom stickney

      Jul 23, 2014 at 3:09 pm

      Over-rotation can also stem from too much grip pressure at address not allowing the wrists to hinge on the backswing as well. Thanks!

  7. cody

    Jul 22, 2014 at 11:44 pm

    this is something I’ve been working on recently. Aside from taking the club to inside in the takeaway, over rotation of the shoulders can also pull the hips off the ball which then in turn requires a lateral shift forward to compensate for the lower body moving off the ball. I discovered this quite by accident while trying to correct my inside takeaway. As well it also well quiet the head and in turn the eyes, resulting in more consistent ball striking. Regardless of what intuition may tell us. This shorter turn does not result in less clubbed speed. but it does increase accuracy! My dispersion is about 40% better since making this improvement. The domino effect. Fix one thing and watch another fix itself. Great subject!

  8. Hugh

    Jul 22, 2014 at 11:41 am

    Hi Tom

    I recently discovered that this was my problem. However, I find that i have to try a few fixes to see what works best for me. What worked best was the feeling that the butt of the club is pointing just outside the toe line three quarters way through the backswing. If a player is over rotated, whether torso or forearm, he wont get to that position. Is that a positive fix solution to keep working with?

    thanks
    Hugh

    • Tom Stickney

      Jul 22, 2014 at 1:59 pm

      If it works for you, yes. Take it with a grain of salt however.

  9. paul

    Jul 21, 2014 at 8:06 pm

    Do people really swing like that? Dang! No wonder people quit playing. Better tell Mr. Adams that the problem is crazy swings people try that make the ball go everywhere, no wonder pace of play is a problem, swinging like that must make the ball go everywhere.

    • Tom Stickney

      Jul 21, 2014 at 8:55 pm

      Pace of play is an issue when you’re beating it around the course regardless of your level for sure!

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  11. Ryan J

    Jul 21, 2014 at 12:47 pm

    Tom,
    I believe that I am suffering from over-rotating the forearm. What are some missed that you generally see from this inside takeaway.

    Thank you,

    Ryan J.

  12. Bob Gomavitz

    Jul 21, 2014 at 10:55 am

    Tom,

    Great stuff and it should help me.

    What course is this by the way….looks quite tight!

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The Wedge Guy: Beating the yips into submission

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There may be no more painful affliction in golf than the “yips” – those uncontrollable and maddening little nervous twitches that prevent you from making a decent stroke on short putts. If you’ve never had them, consider yourself very fortunate (or possibly just very young). But I can assure you that when your most treacherous and feared golf shot is not the 195 yard approach over water with a quartering headwind…not the extra tight fairway with water left and sand right…not the soft bunker shot to a downhill pin with water on the other side…No, when your most feared shot is the remaining 2- 4-foot putt after hitting a great approach, recovery or lag putt, it makes the game almost painful.

And I’ve been fighting the yips (again) for a while now. It’s a recurring nightmare that has haunted me most of my adult life. I even had the yips when I was in my 20s, but I’ve beat them into submission off and on most of my adult life. But just recently, that nasty virus came to life once again. My lag putting has been very good, but when I get over one of those “you should make this” length putts, the entire nervous system seems to go haywire. I make great practice strokes, and then the most pitiful short-stroke or jab at the ball you can imagine. Sheesh.

But I’m a traditionalist, and do not look toward the long putter, belly putter, cross-hand, claw or other variation as the solution. My approach is to beat those damn yips into submission some other way. Here’s what I’m doing that is working pretty well, and I offer it to all of you who might have a similar affliction on the greens.

When you are over a short putt, forget the practice strokes…you want your natural eye-hand coordination to be unhindered by mechanics. Address your putt and take a good look at the hole, and back to the putter to ensure good alignment. Lighten your right hand grip on the putter and make sure that only the fingertips are in contact with the grip, to prevent you from getting to tight.

Then, take a long, long look at the hole to fill your entire mind and senses with the target. When you bring your head/eyes back to the ball, try to make a smooth, immediate move right into your backstroke — not even a second pause — and then let your hands and putter track right back together right back to where you were looking — the HOLE! Seeing the putter make contact with the ball, preferably even the forward edge of the ball – the side near the hole.

For me, this is working, but I am asking all of you to chime in with your own “home remedies” for the most aggravating and senseless of all golf maladies. It never hurts to have more to fall back on!

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Looking for a good golf instructor? Use this checklist

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Over the last couple of decades, golf has become much more science-based. We measure swing speed, smash factor, angle of attack, strokes gained, and many other metrics that can really help golfers improve. But I often wonder if the advancement of golf’s “hard” sciences comes at the expense of the “soft” sciences.

Take, for example, golf instruction. Good golf instruction requires understanding swing mechanics and ball flight. But let’s take that as a given for PGA instructors. The other factors that make an instructor effective can be evaluated by social science, rather than launch monitors.

If you are a recreational golfer looking for a golf instructor, here are my top three points to consider.

1. Cultural mindset

What is “cultural mindset? To social scientists, it means whether a culture of genius or a culture of learning exists. In a golf instruction context, that may mean whether the teacher communicates a message that golf ability is something innate (you either have it or you don’t), or whether golf ability is something that can be learned. You want the latter!

It may sound obvious to suggest that you find a golf instructor who thinks you can improve, but my research suggests that it isn’t a given. In a large sample study of golf instructors, I found that when it came to recreational golfers, there was a wide range of belief systems. Some instructors strongly believed recreational golfers could improve through lessons. while others strongly believed they could not. And those beliefs manifested in the instructor’s feedback given to a student and the culture created for players.

2. Coping and self-modeling can beat role-modeling

Swing analysis technology is often preloaded with swings of PGA and LPGA Tour players. The swings of elite players are intended to be used for comparative purposes with golfers taking lessons. What social science tells us is that for novice and non-expert golfers, comparing swings to tour professionals can have the opposite effect of that intended. If you fit into the novice or non-expert category of golfer, you will learn more and be more motivated to change if you see yourself making a ‘better’ swing (self-modeling) or seeing your swing compared to a similar other (a coping model). Stay away from instructors who want to compare your swing with that of a tour player.

3. Learning theory basics

It is not a sexy selling point, but learning is a process, and that process is incremental – particularly for recreational adult players. Social science helps us understand this element of golf instruction. A good instructor will take learning slowly. He or she will give you just about enough information that challenges you, but is still manageable. The artful instructor will take time to decide what that one or two learning points are before jumping in to make full-scale swing changes. If the instructor moves too fast, you will probably leave the lesson with an arm’s length of swing thoughts and not really know which to focus on.

As an instructor, I develop a priority list of changes I want to make in a player’s technique. We then patiently and gradually work through that list. Beware of instructors who give you more than you can chew.

So if you are in the market for golf instruction, I encourage you to look beyond the X’s and O’s to find the right match!

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What Lottie Woad’s stunning debut win teaches every golfer

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Most pros take months, even years, to win their first tournament. Lottie Woad needed exactly four days.

The 21-year-old from Surrey shot 21-under 267 at Dundonald Links to win the ISPS Handa Women’s Scottish Open by three shots — in her very first event as a professional. She’s only the third player in LPGA history to accomplish this feat, joining Rose Zhang (2023) and Beverly Hanson (1951).

But here’s what caught my attention as a coach: Woad didn’t win through miraculous putting or bombing 300-yard drives. She won through relentless precision and unshakeable composure. After watching her performance unfold, I’m convinced every golfer — from weekend warriors to scratch players — can steal pages from her playbook.

Precision Beats Power (And It’s Not Even Close)

Forget the driving contests. Woad proved that finding greens matters more than finding distance.

What Woad did:

• Hit it straight, hit it solid, give yourself chances

• Aimed for the fat parts of greens instead of chasing pins

• Let her putting do the talking after hitting safe targets

• As she said, “Everyone was chasing me today, and managed to maintain the lead and played really nicely down the stretch and hit a lot of good shots”

Why most golfers mess this up:

• They see a pin tucked behind a bunker and grab one more club to “go right at it”

• Distance becomes more important than accuracy

• They try to be heroic instead of smart

ACTION ITEM: For your next 10 rounds, aim for the center of every green regardless of pin position. Track your greens in regulation and watch your scores drop before your swing changes.

The Putter That Stayed Cool Under Fire

Woad started the final round two shots clear and immediately applied pressure with birdies at the 2nd and 3rd holes. When South Korea’s Hyo Joo Kim mounted a charge and reached 20-under with a birdie at the 14th, Woad didn’t panic.

How she responded to pressure:

• Fired back with consecutive birdies at the 13th and 14th

• Watched Kim stumble with back-to-back bogeys

• Capped it with her fifth birdie of the day at the par-5 18th

• Stayed patient when others pressed, pressed when others cracked

What amateurs do wrong:

• Get conservative when they should be aggressive

• Try to force magic when steady play would win

• Panic when someone else makes a move

ACTION ITEM: Practice your 3-6 foot putts for 15 minutes after every range session. Woad’s putting wasn’t spectacular—it was reliable. Make the putts you should make.

Course Management 101: Play Your Game, Not the Course’s Game

Woad admitted she couldn’t see many scoreboards during the final round, but it didn’t matter. She stuck to her game plan regardless of what others were doing.

Her mental approach:

• Focused on her process, not the competition

• Drew on past pressure situations (Augusta National Women’s Amateur win)

• As she said, “That was the biggest tournament I played in at the time and was kind of my big win. So definitely felt the pressure of it more there, and I felt like all those experiences helped me with this”

Her physical execution:

• 270-yard drives (nothing flashy)

• Methodical iron play

• Steady putting

• Everything effective, nothing spectacular

ACTION ITEM: Create a yardage book for your home course. Know your distances to every pin, every hazard, every landing area. Stick to your plan no matter what your playing partners are doing.

Mental Toughness Isn’t Born, It’s Built

The most impressive part of Woad’s win? She genuinely didn’t expect it: “I definitely wasn’t expecting to win my first event as a pro, but I knew I was playing well, and I was hoping to contend.”

Her winning mindset:

• Didn’t put winning pressure on herself

• Focused on playing well and contending

• Made winning a byproduct of a good process

• Built confidence through recent experiences:

  • Won the Women’s Irish Open as an amateur
  • Missed a playoff by one shot at the Evian Championship
  • Each experience prepared her for the next

What this means for you:

• Stop trying to shoot career rounds every time you tee up

• Focus on executing your pre-shot routine

• Commit to every shot

• Stay present in the moment

ACTION ITEM: Before each round, set process goals instead of score goals. Example: “I will take three practice swings before every shot” or “I will pick a specific target for every shot.” Let your score be the result, not the focus.

The Real Lesson

Woad collected $300,000 for her first professional victory, but the real prize was proving that fundamentals still work at golf’s highest level. She didn’t reinvent the game — she simply executed the basics better than everyone else that week.

The fundamentals that won:

• Hit more fairways

• Find more greens

• Make the putts you should make

• Stay patient under pressure

That’s something every golfer can do, regardless of handicap. Lottie Woad just showed us it’s still the winning formula.

FINAL ACTION ITEM: Pick one of the four action items above and commit to it for the next month. Master one fundamental before moving to the next. That’s how champions are built.

 

PGA Professional Brendon Elliott is an award-winning coach and golf writer. You can check out his writing work and learn more about him by visiting BEAGOLFER.golf and OneMoreRollGolf.com. Also, check out “The Starter” on RG.org each Monday.

 

Editor’s note: Brendon shares his nearly 30 years of experience in the game with GolfWRX readers through his ongoing tip series. He looks forward to providing valuable insights and advice to help golfers improve their game. Stay tuned for more Tips!

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