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Are you curving the ball too much?

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As a teacher, I have to admit that the invention of the Trackman has been one of the most amazing additions to the golf instructional world; however, as with any type of technology, it can be utilized incorrectly and this can hamper the player in the end. Just ask Brandel Chamblee!

One of the trends that I am beginning to see from the younger generation of teachers using launch monitors is requiring their players to “zero out” the face to path numbers in order to obtain less curvature on the ball. While this sounds like a great idea on paper, there is a flaw within this concept.

In the new-age teachers’ defense, they did not see the great players of the past using balata, which allowed the ability to curve the ball much more than you can with today’s golf balls. There were many players playing with drastic curvature that would be better defined as a “sweeping” ball flight. I continually tell my players at the highest levels that it is up to THE PLAYER, not me, as to how much curvature they see visually and how much curvature they can play with comfortably.

Here’s an example: I was playing golf with a multiple time winner on the PGA Tour last year.

“Is it ok to play golf with a face to path relationship that is more than three degrees?” he asked.

I almost fell over when he asked me – of course it is! I asked him first what he “saw”and the amount he “liked” to see the ball curve. He showed me with his hand and my question to him was that if you “see and like” that amount of curvature (which was much more than what he was doing at the time) then why would you try to play with less?

He said his teacher back home was trying to get him to hit the ball with less curve saying his pro students preferred this type of flight. While this seems correct, this player could not play without curving the ball and thus he struggled for 3/4’s of the season until he went back and hit more curving golf shots.

Not everyone can play with the same amount of curvature!

Let me explain the data to you and I’ll dive deeper into the curvature of the golf ball that we discussed above. If you assume that the ball is impacted in the center of the face, then curvature of the golf ball would be created by the difference between the direction of the face at impact and the path at impact.

This difference tilts the d-plane right or left and this, coupled with the loft of the club itself, helps Trackman to create the ball’s spin axis number. Spin axis tells me basically how much the ball is curving.

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So let’s examine this sample shot to understand the data:

  • The path of the club is moving from out to in left of the target at -3.9 degrees as shown by the blue line
  • The face angle at impact is pointing right of the target at impact at 4.2 degrees as shown by the red arrow
  • This was a big slice – we can see that the ball begins in the direction of the face and curves away from the path with centered impact in the photo above
  • The difference between the face and the path was 8.1 degrees; the bigger the difference the higher the ball’s spin axis number will become, the more it will curve
  • The spin axis was 15 degrees and the ball curved 107.8 feet to the right

Ok, so now that we can understand the data, I want to go back to our Tour Pro example of face-to-path amount and subsequent ball curvature. In my opinion, there are three basic ball flights:

1) A very slight curve

2) A moderate curve

3) A big curve

You can play with ALL of these curvature amounts, it just depends on what the player visualizes and is comfortable with in general. So I took my Trackman out and hit the three shots I described above so you can see what I mean. (One note: the wind was blowing about 15 mph from right to left so it was “holding” my faded golf shots a touch).

A slight curve

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  • Face-to-Path is 1.4
  • Spin Axis is 1.8
  • This shot should have basically dropped off a touch to the right with very little curvature. This shot moved 5.2 feet from right-to-left
  • In a perfect world this would be great, but it’s hard to do consistently due to the tight tolerances necessary to do so

A moderate curve

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  • Face to Path 5.8
  • Spin Axis 6.5
  • This ball curved a touch more than the one above, around 20 feet total from right to left
  • This moderate curvature gives you some leeway if you miss the center of the blade or get a touch handsy at the bottom of the swing

A big curve

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A big right-to-left wind held this shot up a touch.

  • Face to path 11.7
  • Spin Axis 8.9 (I hit it a touch off the toe and the wind was blowing right to left a touch harder, which negated some of the left-to-right curvature it should have had)
  • The ball did curve a total of 40 feet or so giving us bigger movement or more curve

As the player, it’s up to you which of the three flights you deem acceptable in your own world. It’s my thought that the younger generation of teachers, who never saw big curving golf balls, cannot accept the ball moving too much, but it’s really up to the player. If you hyper-focus on limiting curvature and having a super tight face to path/spin axis relationship, you are setting yourself up for some issues. We are not robots, and curvature feels can change from day to day. My suggestion is to use the numbers as a guide to your FEELS, and you’ll play much better in the end!

Tom F. Stickney II, is a specialist in Biomechanics for Golf, Physiology, and 3d Motion Analysis. He has a degree in Exercise and Fitness and has been a Director of Instruction for almost 30 years at resorts and clubs such as- The Four Seasons Punta Mita, BIGHORN Golf Club, The Club at Cordillera, The Promontory Club, and the Sandestin Golf and Beach Resort. His past and present instructional awards include the following: Golf Magazine Top 100 Teacher, Golf Digest Top 50 International Instructor, Golf Tips Top 25 Instructor, Best in State (Florida, Colorado, and California,) Top 20 Teachers Under 40, Best Young Teachers and many more. Tom is a Trackman University Master/Partner, a distinction held by less than 25 people in the world. Tom is TPI Certified- Level 1, Golf Level 2, Level 2- Power, and Level 2- Fitness and believes that you cannot reach your maximum potential as a player with out some focus on your physiology. You can reach him at tomstickneygolf@gmail.com and he welcomes any questions you may have.

29 Comments

29 Comments

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  2. Large chris

    Aug 15, 2014 at 7:24 am

    I understand Ian Poulter has been trying to zero out all year and his game has collapsed….

    I think Chamblee was saying that Tiger has been trying to do it as well, and it was causing him to get even steeper into the ball.

    • Tom Stickney

      Aug 15, 2014 at 9:22 am

      It’s tough but not impossible. Hard to maintain.

  3. Holton

    Aug 14, 2014 at 7:19 pm

    Notable that the lower the swing plane was the more the ball curved. Cool article!

  4. Jamie

    Aug 13, 2014 at 8:37 am

    If you want accurate measure try Foresight’s GC2 with HMT attachment. You get all of Trackman stats with club head measurements because it actually takes pictures of the club hitting the ball and measures ball flight after impact. I have one and find it very helpful and it’s less expensive than Trackman, as if not more accurate and gives more options.

    • Tom Stickney

      Aug 13, 2014 at 9:49 am

      Anything is better than nothing in the launch monitor world I’ve always said.

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  6. Jeff

    Aug 12, 2014 at 9:39 am

    What do they say, the hardest shot to hit is a straight one? If one can learn to hit a consistent reliable shot then what does it matter if it curves too much or too little? Ball flight is the ultimate telltale. Tom, I’m pretty impressed with the 3 shots. Nice control!

    • Tom Stickney

      Aug 12, 2014 at 2:04 pm

      Agree. Thx. Wind was howling rt to left. Killing my buttercut. 🙂

      • MJ

        Aug 12, 2014 at 2:57 pm

        I noticed you striped that moderate curve ball! Impressive distance on that.

      • Jeff

        Aug 12, 2014 at 8:37 pm

        Isn’t that the way to get it close to the pin though. Hold the shot into the wind?

  7. Martin

    Aug 12, 2014 at 5:40 am

    I have fallen into the need for lower spin rates with a driver, everytime I get one that gave me low spin rates on a monitor It ends up being unreliable on the course as my fade turns into a slice.

    I recently bought one that I rented in a scramble that I hit the crap out of, interestingly I rejected it over the winter as too high a spinner. Now I won’t hit it on a monitor for love nor money, because I suspect the readings wouldn’t be good.

    I aim right, take the club back low and wide and then pull the ball down the middle and since I bought this club and stopped chasing the holy grail of high launch low spin my FW hit has jumped way up and my index has dropped from 10.5 to 8.7.

    Monitors are useful, but you need to trust what you see and make it work on the course. I am not talented enough to reproduce a perfect swing on the course.

    • Tom Stickney

      Aug 12, 2014 at 9:24 am

      If it doesn’t work on the course it’s useless.

  8. Jason

    Aug 11, 2014 at 4:56 pm

    How can you see the club face if trackman is behind, or does it just assume where the club face is pointing due to the flight of the ball.

    • tom stickney

      Aug 11, 2014 at 7:40 pm

      Trackman only measures the clubface at the point of impact

      • Pete Player

        Aug 12, 2014 at 12:11 am

        I severely doubt the device actually measures the orientation of the club face at impact. Yet, the software shows it in detail.

        Would be nice to see, what the manufacturer of the thing has to say and explain how the orientation actually is detected, how many hits do they get of the club face at impact etc.

        • Tom Stickney

          Aug 12, 2014 at 12:43 am

          It was developed for ballistics testing. Golf was a spinoff. Measures it and many other factors…that’s why it’s so expensive.

        • Jack

          Aug 12, 2014 at 1:54 am

          Have you seriously looked into this or are you just guessing? Pro players and coaches use this all the time. It’s not witchcraft. Or maybe you’re just smarter than everyone else.

        • CD

          Aug 12, 2014 at 5:26 pm

          It’s a radar and bounces off a clubhead ‘blob’, an algorithm is then applied. My own experience on trackman is that in the hands of an excellent teacher is it a brilliant tool. For example, I find working on mechanics is best done away from seeing the ball flight (distracting), and trackman enables me to hit whilst focusing on the feel and not seeing the ball flight directly, yet then able to see what the ball flight (representation) was, if that makes sense. My experience is it represents exactly what I see on course.

  9. Richard

    Aug 11, 2014 at 3:52 pm

    Agree 100%. I think too many golfers are worried about trying to zero everything out, but that just isn’t practical. When I’m driving the ball really well, I’m typically hitting a slight fade and I love it. My irons almost always fly pretty straight – just push or pull. When I’m on the course the only thing that matters is fairways and greens. How I get there is another story.

    • Tom Stickney

      Aug 11, 2014 at 5:44 pm

      Yep! Thx.

    • Pete Player

      Aug 12, 2014 at 12:19 am

      Well, I tend to cut all my irons, yet they go pretty far and straight normally.

      With driver it’s a whole different story. Since I broke my former driver, that I’d deployed for about 7 years, I’ve not yet built a similar relationship with the new one and have gained a two-way-miss-phenomena in the process curving the ball both ways without actually feeling the difference in the shots. Makes it really hard to play the game tee to green.

      • Tom Stickney

        Aug 12, 2014 at 2:05 pm

        Your swing path is left with the irons and rt with your driver due to its lie angle is guess

    • Jack

      Aug 12, 2014 at 1:56 am

      I think most people aren’t good enough to zero it out. And it’s more important to be consistent and effective anyway. but it’s a good tool to use to fix swing flaws. Easily tell what part of the impact is going wrong (path, clubface, etc etc).

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The Wedge Guy: Beating the yips into submission

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There may be no more painful affliction in golf than the “yips” – those uncontrollable and maddening little nervous twitches that prevent you from making a decent stroke on short putts. If you’ve never had them, consider yourself very fortunate (or possibly just very young). But I can assure you that when your most treacherous and feared golf shot is not the 195 yard approach over water with a quartering headwind…not the extra tight fairway with water left and sand right…not the soft bunker shot to a downhill pin with water on the other side…No, when your most feared shot is the remaining 2- 4-foot putt after hitting a great approach, recovery or lag putt, it makes the game almost painful.

And I’ve been fighting the yips (again) for a while now. It’s a recurring nightmare that has haunted me most of my adult life. I even had the yips when I was in my 20s, but I’ve beat them into submission off and on most of my adult life. But just recently, that nasty virus came to life once again. My lag putting has been very good, but when I get over one of those “you should make this” length putts, the entire nervous system seems to go haywire. I make great practice strokes, and then the most pitiful short-stroke or jab at the ball you can imagine. Sheesh.

But I’m a traditionalist, and do not look toward the long putter, belly putter, cross-hand, claw or other variation as the solution. My approach is to beat those damn yips into submission some other way. Here’s what I’m doing that is working pretty well, and I offer it to all of you who might have a similar affliction on the greens.

When you are over a short putt, forget the practice strokes…you want your natural eye-hand coordination to be unhindered by mechanics. Address your putt and take a good look at the hole, and back to the putter to ensure good alignment. Lighten your right hand grip on the putter and make sure that only the fingertips are in contact with the grip, to prevent you from getting to tight.

Then, take a long, long look at the hole to fill your entire mind and senses with the target. When you bring your head/eyes back to the ball, try to make a smooth, immediate move right into your backstroke — not even a second pause — and then let your hands and putter track right back together right back to where you were looking — the HOLE! Seeing the putter make contact with the ball, preferably even the forward edge of the ball – the side near the hole.

For me, this is working, but I am asking all of you to chime in with your own “home remedies” for the most aggravating and senseless of all golf maladies. It never hurts to have more to fall back on!

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Looking for a good golf instructor? Use this checklist

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Over the last couple of decades, golf has become much more science-based. We measure swing speed, smash factor, angle of attack, strokes gained, and many other metrics that can really help golfers improve. But I often wonder if the advancement of golf’s “hard” sciences comes at the expense of the “soft” sciences.

Take, for example, golf instruction. Good golf instruction requires understanding swing mechanics and ball flight. But let’s take that as a given for PGA instructors. The other factors that make an instructor effective can be evaluated by social science, rather than launch monitors.

If you are a recreational golfer looking for a golf instructor, here are my top three points to consider.

1. Cultural mindset

What is “cultural mindset? To social scientists, it means whether a culture of genius or a culture of learning exists. In a golf instruction context, that may mean whether the teacher communicates a message that golf ability is something innate (you either have it or you don’t), or whether golf ability is something that can be learned. You want the latter!

It may sound obvious to suggest that you find a golf instructor who thinks you can improve, but my research suggests that it isn’t a given. In a large sample study of golf instructors, I found that when it came to recreational golfers, there was a wide range of belief systems. Some instructors strongly believed recreational golfers could improve through lessons. while others strongly believed they could not. And those beliefs manifested in the instructor’s feedback given to a student and the culture created for players.

2. Coping and self-modeling can beat role-modeling

Swing analysis technology is often preloaded with swings of PGA and LPGA Tour players. The swings of elite players are intended to be used for comparative purposes with golfers taking lessons. What social science tells us is that for novice and non-expert golfers, comparing swings to tour professionals can have the opposite effect of that intended. If you fit into the novice or non-expert category of golfer, you will learn more and be more motivated to change if you see yourself making a ‘better’ swing (self-modeling) or seeing your swing compared to a similar other (a coping model). Stay away from instructors who want to compare your swing with that of a tour player.

3. Learning theory basics

It is not a sexy selling point, but learning is a process, and that process is incremental – particularly for recreational adult players. Social science helps us understand this element of golf instruction. A good instructor will take learning slowly. He or she will give you just about enough information that challenges you, but is still manageable. The artful instructor will take time to decide what that one or two learning points are before jumping in to make full-scale swing changes. If the instructor moves too fast, you will probably leave the lesson with an arm’s length of swing thoughts and not really know which to focus on.

As an instructor, I develop a priority list of changes I want to make in a player’s technique. We then patiently and gradually work through that list. Beware of instructors who give you more than you can chew.

So if you are in the market for golf instruction, I encourage you to look beyond the X’s and O’s to find the right match!

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What Lottie Woad’s stunning debut win teaches every golfer

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Most pros take months, even years, to win their first tournament. Lottie Woad needed exactly four days.

The 21-year-old from Surrey shot 21-under 267 at Dundonald Links to win the ISPS Handa Women’s Scottish Open by three shots — in her very first event as a professional. She’s only the third player in LPGA history to accomplish this feat, joining Rose Zhang (2023) and Beverly Hanson (1951).

But here’s what caught my attention as a coach: Woad didn’t win through miraculous putting or bombing 300-yard drives. She won through relentless precision and unshakeable composure. After watching her performance unfold, I’m convinced every golfer — from weekend warriors to scratch players — can steal pages from her playbook.

Precision Beats Power (And It’s Not Even Close)

Forget the driving contests. Woad proved that finding greens matters more than finding distance.

What Woad did:

• Hit it straight, hit it solid, give yourself chances

• Aimed for the fat parts of greens instead of chasing pins

• Let her putting do the talking after hitting safe targets

• As she said, “Everyone was chasing me today, and managed to maintain the lead and played really nicely down the stretch and hit a lot of good shots”

Why most golfers mess this up:

• They see a pin tucked behind a bunker and grab one more club to “go right at it”

• Distance becomes more important than accuracy

• They try to be heroic instead of smart

ACTION ITEM: For your next 10 rounds, aim for the center of every green regardless of pin position. Track your greens in regulation and watch your scores drop before your swing changes.

The Putter That Stayed Cool Under Fire

Woad started the final round two shots clear and immediately applied pressure with birdies at the 2nd and 3rd holes. When South Korea’s Hyo Joo Kim mounted a charge and reached 20-under with a birdie at the 14th, Woad didn’t panic.

How she responded to pressure:

• Fired back with consecutive birdies at the 13th and 14th

• Watched Kim stumble with back-to-back bogeys

• Capped it with her fifth birdie of the day at the par-5 18th

• Stayed patient when others pressed, pressed when others cracked

What amateurs do wrong:

• Get conservative when they should be aggressive

• Try to force magic when steady play would win

• Panic when someone else makes a move

ACTION ITEM: Practice your 3-6 foot putts for 15 minutes after every range session. Woad’s putting wasn’t spectacular—it was reliable. Make the putts you should make.

Course Management 101: Play Your Game, Not the Course’s Game

Woad admitted she couldn’t see many scoreboards during the final round, but it didn’t matter. She stuck to her game plan regardless of what others were doing.

Her mental approach:

• Focused on her process, not the competition

• Drew on past pressure situations (Augusta National Women’s Amateur win)

• As she said, “That was the biggest tournament I played in at the time and was kind of my big win. So definitely felt the pressure of it more there, and I felt like all those experiences helped me with this”

Her physical execution:

• 270-yard drives (nothing flashy)

• Methodical iron play

• Steady putting

• Everything effective, nothing spectacular

ACTION ITEM: Create a yardage book for your home course. Know your distances to every pin, every hazard, every landing area. Stick to your plan no matter what your playing partners are doing.

Mental Toughness Isn’t Born, It’s Built

The most impressive part of Woad’s win? She genuinely didn’t expect it: “I definitely wasn’t expecting to win my first event as a pro, but I knew I was playing well, and I was hoping to contend.”

Her winning mindset:

• Didn’t put winning pressure on herself

• Focused on playing well and contending

• Made winning a byproduct of a good process

• Built confidence through recent experiences:

  • Won the Women’s Irish Open as an amateur
  • Missed a playoff by one shot at the Evian Championship
  • Each experience prepared her for the next

What this means for you:

• Stop trying to shoot career rounds every time you tee up

• Focus on executing your pre-shot routine

• Commit to every shot

• Stay present in the moment

ACTION ITEM: Before each round, set process goals instead of score goals. Example: “I will take three practice swings before every shot” or “I will pick a specific target for every shot.” Let your score be the result, not the focus.

The Real Lesson

Woad collected $300,000 for her first professional victory, but the real prize was proving that fundamentals still work at golf’s highest level. She didn’t reinvent the game — she simply executed the basics better than everyone else that week.

The fundamentals that won:

• Hit more fairways

• Find more greens

• Make the putts you should make

• Stay patient under pressure

That’s something every golfer can do, regardless of handicap. Lottie Woad just showed us it’s still the winning formula.

FINAL ACTION ITEM: Pick one of the four action items above and commit to it for the next month. Master one fundamental before moving to the next. That’s how champions are built.

 

PGA Professional Brendon Elliott is an award-winning coach and golf writer. You can check out his writing work and learn more about him by visiting BEAGOLFER.golf and OneMoreRollGolf.com. Also, check out “The Starter” on RG.org each Monday.

 

Editor’s note: Brendon shares his nearly 30 years of experience in the game with GolfWRX readers through his ongoing tip series. He looks forward to providing valuable insights and advice to help golfers improve their game. Stay tuned for more Tips!

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