WRX Forum Buzzz
FTF: Drivers of today vs. drivers of 10 years ago; WRXer in a pro event
The GolfWRX forums exist so golfers have access to the latest equipment releases, hottest discussions, real equipment reviews, best instruction, new technologies and everything golf you can imagine. So if you love golf, the GolfWRX forums are your sanctuary.
In the From the Forums weekly feature, we bring you the hottest, most buzz-worthy topics from our forums for your convenience. I’ll be your trusty tour guide to navigate the latest buzz. Here’s a peek behind the curtain into golf’s sanctuary.
Moore on Tour: Questions for GolfWRX’s Tour photographer
Greg Moore has been on-tour and inside-the-ropes at the vast majority of PGA Tour events for the past 10 years taking equipment photos and making a lot of friends along the way. His perspective is always appreciated in the forums, and now, there’s a thread for WRXers to ask Greg questions. Awesome thread.
Today’s drivers vs. drivers from 10 years ago
User EmperorPenguin poses an interesting question based on a debate that often goes on in the forums: How much better are today’s drivers than models from 10 years ago? In other words, what’s the net gain for the average player from the period of COR and CC limits until the present.
He offered an interesting anecdote
“I was thinking about meeting Tom Lehman at Poppy Hills when he was playing for The First Tee Open two years ago. I was looking at the driver he was practicing with, and to my surprise it was the TaylorMade R7 Superquad. Superquad? That driver was released in 2007. I asked him why he was using that driver instead of a newer driver like the SLDR or the R11s and he answered,quite simply, “I tried the new stuff and I couldn’t find anything better.” This implies that today’s drivers are at least to some extent overrated.”
Hot takes on Oakmont
The U.S. Open hasn’t even started yet and the hot takes are rolling in. Jimbonecrusher mentioned Gary Woodland saying that in many places on the course, you can’t see your ball in the rough when standing right next to it. Then he asked: “Does the USGA secretly get enjoyment out of watching the best players in the world make bogey or shoot numbers that the governing body usually shoots in their Saturday group?”
What do you think about U.S. Open venues and set-up philosophy?
WRXer playing in a pro tournament!
Richard, aka Forged4Ever (who should have some special reverential status in the forums) started a thread bringing this to our attention: User Goobers80 (Samantha Perrotta) played in her first professional event at the Symetra Tour’s Fuccillo KIA Capital Championship at Capital Hills last week. She didn’t make the cut, but the experience was a positive one, and she offers her perspective in the forums.
See the thread for all the details.
Who’s the best at his best: Day, Spieth, or McIlroy?
Pretty self-explanatory thread here from the Tour Talk forum: Relative to each player’s best stretches or “A” game, who’s No. 1 of the Big-Three. Great debate!
Equipment
Srixon ZXi combo or TaylorMade P7CB/770 combo? – GolfWRXers discuss
In our forums, our members have been pitting a Srixon ZXi combo against a TaylorMade P7CB/770 combo. WRXer ‘edutch22’ is on the hunt for a new set of irons and kicks off the thread saying:
“Looking at picking up a new set of irons and think I’ve narrowed it down to Srixon ZXi combo or Taylormade P7CB/770 combo. I am currently a 5 cap and allbeit I feel irons are my weakness. My miss is a little to the toe side. I am decently steep at 4-5 down. Always thought I am high spin but recently on trackman my 7 was spinning at 5800 roughly.
My question or looking for thoughts on which one would benefit me more from a forgiveness standpoint? Or is there another iron is should be looking at entirely? I only get to play about once or twice a week, if I am not playing a 2-3 day event. Thanks in advance.”
And our members have been sharing their thoughts and suggestions in response.
Here are a few posts from the thread, but make sure to check out the entire discussion and have your say at the link below.
- manima1: “You just can’t go wrong with Srixon ZXi7.”
- MattM97: “You have to hit them to know, the V-Sole on the Srixon can be make or break for many.”
- dmeeksDC: “P7CB is more forgiving for me than ZXi7 because my main miss is low middle and the P7CB still flies and spins great on that miss. These are both really nice irons but I like the P7CB more than the Zxi7 and the P770 (or P790) more than the Zxi5. The Srixons are larger so if that gives you confidence that is the way to go. I don’t feel like I get any benefit from the V-sole and the P7CBs live up to their high Maltby forgiveness rating so the TaylorMades have been great for me.”
Entire Thread: “Srixon ZXi combo or TaylorMade P7CB/770 combo? – GolfWRXers discuss”
Equipment
Mizuno Pro M13 vs Callaway X Forged: My actual fitting numbers – GolfWRXers discuss
In our forums, our members have been reacting to a fitting session involving Mizuno’s Pro M13 and Callaway’s X Forged irons. WRXer ‘careergolfer’ recently went through a full fitting session and shared his numbers and commentary, saying:
“After playing Callaway Apex Pros for the pats 5 years, just went through a full iron fitting and thought the data was interesting enough to share. I’ve seen a lot of posts talking about fittings but not many with actual numbers, so here’s mine.
All 7-iron, same ball, same session. Final two were the ones I was choosing between:
| Club | Ball Speed | Launch | Spin | Side Angle | Carry | Total |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Current irons | 121.1 mph | 18.3° | 6,691 rpm | 0.7L | 170 | 178 |
| Callaway X Forged | 125.8 mph | 15.9° | 6,144 rpm | 2.2L | 180 | 185 |
| Mizuno M-13 | 125.8 mph | 17.9° | 6,638 rpm | 2.2L | 177 | 182 |
The consistency numbers are what actually made the decision:
| Club | Ball Speed SD | Spin SD | Total Yards SD |
|---|---|---|---|
| Current irons | 3.3 | 294 | 5 |
| Callaway X Forged | 2.0 | 211 | 3 |
| Mizuno M-13 | 1.1 | 150 | 2 |
Callaway won on distance by 3 yards but got there with a much lower ball flight (15.9° launch, 6,144 spin). The Mizuno matched my existing flight profile with nearly 3x tighter ball speed consistency.
Fitter also noted I’ve been setting up with a closed face at address to compensate for a heel-heavy dynamic lie. Ordered the M-13s 1° flat to bring impact back to neutral: the theory being if I can set up square, I can actually commit to the release. I’m not sure if this was the right call TBH but took the fitter’s guidance. I’ll see what happens.
Went with the Mizuno. Clubs aren’t in hand yet. Happy to share follow-up data once I’ve played them!”
And our members have been sharing their thoughts in response.
Here are a couple of posts from the thread, but make sure to check out the entire discussion and have your say at the link below.
- PowerCobra98: “M13 certainly performed well. Enjoy the new irons once you get them!”
- dmeeksDC: “Two completely different irons. The X Forged is a tour-type iron and would match up with the S3 in the Mizuno lineup. Not going to see a lot of M-13 on pro tours. It’s a crossover iron, three different types of construction in the same set. The M-13 would be more like the AI 150 as the M-13 7 iron is a half-hollow club versus X Forged, which is a straight up forged iron. M-13 middle irons have very thin faces, not holding up well for some buyers if you read through the M-13 thread. Hopefully Mizuno has corrected it. Given the differences in construction, that is surprising ball speed with the X Forged. To me the numbers are quite an endorsement of the X Forged considering it has no ‘tech.'”
Entire Thread: “Mizuno Pro M13 vs Callaway X Forged: My actual fitting numbers – GolfWRXers discuss”
Equipment
Has there been a better driver since this Ping release? – GolfWRXers discuss
In our forums, our members have been discussing drivers. WRXer ‘Ty-Webb’ is still playing Ping’s G400 LS driver and reaches out to fellow members saying:
“Playing the G400 LS still and wondering if newer is any better? For someone who thinks golf equipment is 90% marketing, change my mind.”
And our members have been weighing in with their top picks in response.
Here are a few posts from the thread, but make sure to check out the entire discussion and have your say at the link below.
- meliaant: “As someone who graduated from the OG SIM to the Qi10, I can you two things: 1) on-center hits are essentially identical. 2) off-center hits are wildly, absurdly better with newer drivers.”
- Golfingfanatic: “I went from the G400 to the GT2 – probably a wash distance wise from the sweet spot, but much better at handling spin off-center.. would definitely try some new stuff if you can.”
- bluedot: “Given the number of heads and shafts that are available, plus the fact that you’re talking about a 9 yr old club, plus the available fitting technology, the answer is almost certainly yes. Add to that the fact that the Ping LS models are sort of ‘specialized’ drivers, as are the Ping SFT’s; heck, you might need MORE spin! How much better is really the question, and that depends on how well suited the G400 LS is to your swing, and how you will go about finding an alternative.”
Entire Thread: “Has there been a better driver since this Ping release? – GolfWRXers discuss”
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TONEY P
Apr 1, 2017 at 9:31 am
The new equipment is nicer but some of the older drivers were awesome stix. The 983k, 905R, Ping Raptor, R9 and R7tp are good drivers that could and would be played today if they still produced them. How much have irons changed in last 10 years really. Good clubs are good clubs, as long as you have a good shaft that fits you. Because it’s new doesn’t mean it’s better, that’s why no manner how much you spend you can’t buy a golf game.
Joel Thelen
Jun 13, 2016 at 10:09 am
I’m a proud wrx’er as well “collegegolfer2” . My name is Joel Thelen, and I play full time on PGA Tour Canada. I’m pretty sure we have some other pros on here as well
Walter Scott Mohn
Jun 11, 2016 at 2:08 pm
I have tried several newer drivers in recent years. After all that I am using a 2010 Adams Speedline 9064LD, 6.5* with a 7.5* as my back-up. I have, however, put in new Fuji Evolution 474 shafts in both drivers. I am 75. I hit these old drivers farther and almost as straight as any of the new ones I have tried including, among others, last year’s Callaway Double Black Diamond and Cobra Fly Z. The problems are that experimenting frequently with the new drivers is expensive and the differences in results are usually very small or hard to determine. I do not know of any reviewers that compare new models to prior models. Demo Days can be hard to find and the rep’s often do not have a Trackman or anything sufficiently similar to a Trackman with them. So the hopeful buyer has to make what is usually an uninformed and very expensive decision. 🙁
Chuck D
Jun 11, 2016 at 12:56 am
I’m still playin’ the M2!! You kiddin’ me, that’s awesome for me! True confession, I did return the Kuro and I absolutely loving the Speeder 661! Chopped a 1/2 inch off that bad boy and it’s found a permanent home in the bag………………well until the M tre’ hits store shelves. Anybody got a release date for the M3? Just kidding!!
Korean Slum Lord
Jun 11, 2016 at 12:38 am
Bridgestone J33r (2005) with Whiteboard 73x still longer and accurate FOR ME than any current driver on the GC2. I try them all when newly released – usdm and jdm.
Milo
Jun 10, 2016 at 6:18 pm
I was playing a SuperQuad right up until this year when I grabbed a LTD Pro
Desmond
Jun 10, 2016 at 5:37 pm
It’s apparent the Lehman did not get fitted. Now, Tom, self-fitting just doesn’t work… C’mon, set a better example.
Mike Honcho
Jun 10, 2016 at 2:52 pm
Still playing an ’09 Tour Burner
blink3665
Jun 10, 2016 at 12:04 pm
Go Sam Go!