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‘Could Tiger be just as effective without his usual length?’ – GolfWRXers discuss

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In our forums, our members have been discussing Tiger’s excellent comeback performance at the PNC Championship.

The performance was so impressive that WRXer ‘jdowning111’ speculates that a shorter hitting Tiger could be just as prolific when he returns to the Tour:

“After watching yesterday’s clinic, made me remember something that Butch Harmon said about Tiger: ‘He only needs 280 off the tee and he can beat everybody with his iron game.’ Have to say maybe he was onto something, I mean, did Tiger even miss an iron shot yesterday? Yes it was best ball but think about it…paired with his son, who’s 12, they shot a 57, and he’s nowhere near 100%?!?”

And our members have been sharing their thoughts on the matter in our forum.

Here are a few posts from the thread, but make sure to check out the entire discussion and have your say at the link below.

  • TheNutman: “Tiger can win with different swings, bodies, lengths it just doesn’t matter. He’s Tigerrrrrr. Expect an epic St. Andrews victory.”
  • PhilssTheMannn: “I’m sorry, but you aren’t much contending on tour with 280 off the tee. Not in 2021 at least. 280 would be ranked 192nd on tour in driving distance. The average driving distance on tour 296, 16 yards is almost a 2 club difference for pros. Here are some guys who average more than 280 off the tee in 2021: Zach Johnson, Matt Kuchar, Kevin Kisner.”
  • Quasimoto: “Obvious to me how much practice Tiger has put in from less than 100 yards. His wedges were stellar.”
  • getair23: “TW grimacing a few times on the back 9 Sunday was unfortunately very telling where he currently is. If there is anything left in that leg, we know he will find it. If history is due to repeat itself. I’m hoping this generation’s 86 Masters wasn’t in 2019, and still on the horizon.”

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12 Comments

12 Comments

  1. Dustin

    Dec 27, 2021 at 3:42 pm

    Yes he can and it’s because of one reason. He’s the best overall iron player to ever exist.

  2. geohogan

    Dec 27, 2021 at 10:00 am

    Still in rehab for right leg and bad back
    yet Tiger hits 3w, 277
    So much for power in the golf swing comes from the ground
    or from the legs.
    Its momentum, physics of leverage and timing. Tiger may be
    able to recover these and take a run at Jack’s record(G.O.A.T.)

  3. Jerry

    Dec 26, 2021 at 12:38 pm

    This Tiger guy will never be a Brooks Koepka or Bryson.

  4. Mike

    Dec 26, 2021 at 10:07 am

    Quote above was, “He only needs 280 off the tee and he can beat everybody with his iron game”. Get real. Hate to break the news to you but it’s 2022, not 2002. No one is intimidated by Tiger & subsequently laying down. He will definitely compete (& I hope he does) but any type of dominance ended (thanks to injuries) almost decade ago. All these younger guns grew up on ‘tiger golf’ & thus emulate him, & I’m sure they love the fact he’s out there w/ them (imagine playing / competing w/ your boyhood idol!). Doesn’t mean they want to lose to him though.

    And last time I looked, he still has to walk all 4 days.

  5. Ray

    Dec 23, 2021 at 8:36 pm

    He’s on steroids for sure now. Ball speeds are nearly mid 170’s now which is above tour average. He did juice to recover from his last back surgery and came back with ball speeds in the 180’s. Speed dropped off quickly after he came of the sauce. His speeds now are faster then they were before his car accident. Wonder how long he will stay on sauce and how long it will take him to start looking like Barry bonds

  6. Patrick Reedier

    Dec 23, 2021 at 6:55 pm

    The answer is easy, and it’s no… Being longer off the tee takes pressure off of all other aspects. If he’s having to hit more long irons in, that is more pressure to get it close and take risks. He’s also not the putter he once was, so once again, more pressure on irons and short game.

  7. toywrx

    Dec 22, 2021 at 9:53 pm

    Tiger who?

  8. Truesp

    Dec 22, 2021 at 2:17 pm

    I f’ing hope not lol

  9. BobbyG

    Dec 21, 2021 at 10:22 pm

    He hit a 7 iron to 10 feet from about 215 with a little cut and made it look easy. That’s pretty awesome.

  10. Kyle

    Dec 21, 2021 at 3:43 pm

    If he’s 250 or 320 off the tee who cares. Putting wins tournaments. It’s not about how far you hit the ball

    • K

      Dec 22, 2021 at 2:18 pm

      Exactly!
      “drive for show, putt for dough”…. Its Tiger we talking about

      The further you can hit it, the further off line it can go too.
      So if he “only” hits it 270-280 off the tee but finds a high % of fairways specially w/his iron game anything is possible.

  11. El Tigre Woodso

    Dec 21, 2021 at 11:41 am

    He’ll be fine. I haven’t been wrong yet………

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Srixon ZXi combo or TaylorMade P7CB/770 combo? – GolfWRXers discuss

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In our forums, our members have been pitting a Srixon ZXi combo against a TaylorMade P7CB/770 combo. WRXer ‘edutch22’ is on the hunt for a new set of irons and kicks off the thread saying:

“Looking at picking up a new set of irons and think I’ve narrowed it down to Srixon ZXi combo or Taylormade P7CB/770 combo. I am currently a 5 cap and allbeit I feel irons are my weakness. My miss is a little to the toe side. I am decently steep at 4-5 down. Always thought I am high spin but recently on trackman my 7 was spinning at 5800 roughly. 

My question or looking for thoughts on which one would benefit me more from a forgiveness standpoint? Or is there another iron is should be looking at entirely? I only get to play about once or twice a week, if I am not playing a 2-3 day event. Thanks in advance.”

And our members have been sharing their thoughts and suggestions in response.

Here are a few posts from the thread, but make sure to check out the entire discussion and have your say at the link below.

  • manima1: “You just can’t go wrong with Srixon ZXi7.”
  • MattM97: “You have to hit them to know, the V-Sole on the Srixon can be make or break for many.”
  • dmeeksDC: “P7CB is more forgiving for me than ZXi7 because my main miss is low middle and the P7CB still flies and spins great on that miss. These are both really nice irons but I like the P7CB more than the Zxi7 and the P770 (or P790) more than the Zxi5. The Srixons are larger so if that gives you confidence that is the way to go. I don’t feel like I get any benefit from the V-sole and the P7CBs live up to their high Maltby forgiveness rating so the TaylorMades have been great for me.”

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Mizuno Pro M13 vs Callaway X Forged: My actual fitting numbers – GolfWRXers discuss

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In our forums, our members have been reacting to a fitting session involving Mizuno’s Pro M13 and Callaway’s X Forged irons. WRXer ‘careergolfer’ recently went through a full fitting session and shared his numbers and commentary, saying:

“After playing Callaway Apex Pros for the pats 5 years, just went through a full iron fitting and thought the data was interesting enough to share. I’ve seen a lot of posts talking about fittings but not many with actual numbers, so here’s mine.

All 7-iron, same ball, same session. Final two were the ones I was choosing between:

Club Ball Speed Launch Spin Side Angle Carry Total
Current irons 121.1 mph 18.3° 6,691 rpm 0.7L 170 178
Callaway X Forged 125.8 mph 15.9° 6,144 rpm 2.2L 180 185
Mizuno M-13 125.8 mph 17.9° 6,638 rpm 2.2L 177 182

The consistency numbers are what actually made the decision:

Club Ball Speed SD Spin SD Total Yards SD
Current irons 3.3 294 5
Callaway X Forged 2.0 211 3
Mizuno M-13 1.1 150 2

Callaway won on distance by 3 yards but got there with a much lower ball flight (15.9° launch, 6,144 spin). The Mizuno matched my existing flight profile with nearly 3x tighter ball speed consistency.

Fitter also noted I’ve been setting up with a closed face at address to compensate for a heel-heavy dynamic lie. Ordered the M-13s 1° flat to bring impact back to neutral: the theory being if I can set up square, I can actually commit to the release. I’m not sure if this was the right call TBH but took the fitter’s guidance. I’ll see what happens.

Went with the Mizuno. Clubs aren’t in hand yet. Happy to share follow-up data once I’ve played them!”

And our members have been sharing their thoughts in response.

Here are a couple of posts from the thread, but make sure to check out the entire discussion and have your say at the link below.

  • PowerCobra98: “M13 certainly performed well.  Enjoy the new irons once you get them!”
  • dmeeksDC: “Two completely different irons. The X Forged is a tour-type iron and would match up with the S3 in the Mizuno lineup. Not going to see a lot of M-13 on pro tours. It’s a crossover iron, three different types of construction in the same set. The M-13 would be more like the AI 150 as the M-13 7 iron is a half-hollow club versus X Forged, which is a straight up forged iron. M-13 middle irons have very thin faces, not holding up well for some buyers if you read through the M-13 thread. Hopefully Mizuno has corrected it. Given the differences in construction, that is surprising ball speed with the X Forged. To me the numbers are quite an endorsement of the X Forged considering it has no ‘tech.'”

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Has there been a better driver since this Ping release? – GolfWRXers discuss

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In our forums, our members have been discussing drivers. WRXer ‘Ty-Webb’ is still playing Ping’s G400 LS driver and reaches out to fellow members saying:

“Playing the G400 LS still and wondering if newer is any better? For someone who thinks golf equipment is 90% marketing, change my mind.”

And our members have been weighing in with their top picks in response.

Here are a few posts from the thread, but make sure to check out the entire discussion and have your say at the link below.

  • meliaant: “As someone who graduated from the OG SIM to the Qi10, I can you two things: 1) on-center hits are essentially identical. 2) off-center hits are wildly, absurdly better with newer drivers.”
  • Golfingfanatic: “I went from the G400 to the GT2 – probably a wash distance wise from the sweet spot, but much better at handling spin off-center.. would definitely try some new stuff if you can.”
  • bluedot: “Given the number of heads and shafts that are available, plus the fact that you’re talking about a 9 yr old club, plus the available fitting technology, the answer is almost certainly yes.  Add to that the fact that the Ping LS models are sort of ‘specialized’ drivers, as are the Ping SFT’s; heck, you might need MORE spin! How much better is really the question, and that depends on how well suited the G400 LS is to your swing, and how you will go about finding an alternative.”

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