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How to play long par-4’s and par-5’s effectively

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This past week, Brian Harman won the John Deere Classic. Harman has been one of my favorite players to follow from a statistical approach because he is one of the most aggressive tee shot players on Tour, meaning his numbers show that he is less likely to lay-up off the tee and continue to hit his driver. Here are the top-10 most aggressive drivers on Tour from the 2013 season:

  1. Ian Poulter
  2. Ben Curtis
  3. Brandt Snedeker
  4. Phil Mickelson
  5. Brian Harman
  6. Graeme McDowell
  7. Tim Clark
  8. Robert Castro
  9. Steve Sticker
  10. Matt Kuchar

The statistical research in the game has repeatedly shown that golfers are better off utilizing an offensive strategy versus a defensive strategy. It will not work every time, but golfers who utilizes an offensive strategy usually putting the odds in their favor. The question then becomes, “When is the point of being too aggressive?”

The general rule of thumb in golf statistics is that the closer the ball is to the hole, the more likely the golfer will hit the next shot closer to the hole. The type of lie a player has, however, plays a large factor in this as well.

The chart below shows the 2013 PGA Tour averages in proximity to the club. It illustrates how getting the ball closer to the hole is generally better, but it clearly helps to get the ball in the short grass as well:

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Something that is often overlooked by golfers is that this is just measuring the Proximity to the Cup. While important, it does not assume that each shot lands on the green. In fact, the ShotLink data will measure any shot that is within 30 yards of the edge of the green. And we know that the farther the distance the ball is away from the cup, the more likely the ball will not be on the green.

I have found the threshold on modern Tour courses is about 50 feet. Once the shot gets to roughly 50 feet from the hole, golfers are more likely to be off the green than be on the green. Obviously, today’s greens can hold plenty of shots that are more than 50 feet away from the hole. But, the majority of the time Tour players are trying to hit their approach shot as close to the hole as they can instead of aiming for the middle of the green. If they start missing by more than 50 feet that is more or less with the intent of trying to get that ball as close as they can to the cup.

So, when we look at that chart of Proximity to the Cup from different distances, we see that 50-foot threshold starts with shots from the rough from 175-to-200 yards. It gets to 63.5 feet on rough shots from 200-to-225 yards. It’s not until 225-to-250 yards that the average shot from the fairway has a proximity to the cup greater than 50-feet. Last year, however PGA Tour players only averaged 0.77 shot attempts from 225-to-250 yards per round, regardless if they were from the fairway or the rough. Not many shots come from 225-to-250 yards on Tour, so therefore it is largely a non-factor in most PGA Tour events.

One of the goals I strongly urge my Tour clients to look to achieve is to get 85 percent or more of their Red Zone shots (shots from 175-225 yards) to come from the fairway/tee box. This way, the golfer can perform much better from the Red Zone without actually having to improve their skill and/or change their technique.

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For example, last year Sang-Moon Bae finished 126th on Tour from the Red Zone. His adjusted proximity to the cup from 175-to-225 yards was 43.5 feet. However, he only hit 76.8 percent of those shots from the fairway/tee box.

If his performance from the fairway and the rough from those distances did not change and all he did differently was have 85 percent of those shots coming from the fairway/tee box, his adjusted proximity to the cup would have dropped to 41.8 feet. That would have moved him from 126th from the Red Zone to 87th and would be roughly worth 0.2 to 0.25 strokes per round. While that may not seem like much, that is worth roughly 25 spots on the Money List and likely prevented him from qualifying for the Tour Championship at East Lake.

My Own Folly

When I first started doing statistical research I came across the undeniable fact that the “Go For It Percentage” on Par-5’s has a very strong statistical correlation to Par-5 Scoring Average. Furthermore, I saw that the PGA Tour determined a “Go For It” to be anytime golfers got the ball within 30 yards of the edge of the green. Therefore, golfers with a 300-yard shot who can only hit their 3-wood 250 yards could theoretically achieve a “Go For It” as long as they got the ball within 30 yards of the edge of the green.

This initially led me to believe that golfers should generally try to hit it as long as they can on the par-5’s. I was also led to believe this because my logic was that if they didn’t hit a good tee shot, they still had four more shots to save par.

What I discovered was that this theory was severely flawed. And that is because it wrongly places too much value on the tee shot and not enough value on the second shot. Another thing I didn’t consider is that even Tour players do not like hitting 3-woods out of the rough and for good reason; they are not very good at it.

For instance, if a par-5 requires golfers to hit their first two shots 540 yards in order to “Go For It” and they hit their drive 280 yards off the tee, that will leave them with 260 yards to the “Go For It” range. Given that they only hit their driver 280 yards, hitting their 3-wood off the deck 260 yards is going to be a tall order. And they will need as easy of a shot as possible to hit the 3-wood 260 yards. However, if they only hit it 250 yards, they should still be in pretty good position.

What we often see from Tour players is that if they are in the rough on the par-5’s, they will usually lay up and only hit their lay-up shot about 180-to-210 yards. So, trying to swing for the fences on par-5’s may give golfers 20 more yards if they make good contact. But the odds of finding the rough are greater and that means the possible 20 more yards off the tee is negated by them preferring to lay-up because they are in the rough.

Here is a table of one of my own Tour clients. In 2012, we discussed going for par-5’s in two shots and not being afraid to try and bomb the ball off the tee. He was not going for par-5’s in two shots as much as he should, but he actually felt that was ultra-aggressive in going for them whenever it was feasible. I soon discovered the issue with trying to bomb it off the tee so we then focused on him taking his stock swing with the driver and focusing on making good contact and finding the fairway in 2013.

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The client is actually able to go for more Par-5’s in two shots despite not trying to bomb the ball off the tee. In fact, he has lost a sizeable amount of distance off the tee this year and is going for more Par-5’s in two shots than ever. His distance loss is not due to laying-up off the tee as he rarely lays-up off the tee. Yet, he FEELS that he is no more aggressive than he was in 2012. The difference is that he now finds the fairway and gives himself more feasible opportunities to go for the green in two shots.

This is why I’m not a fan of the “bomb-n-gouge” mentality. Finding the fairway provides a sizeable advantage to the golfer. But I’m also not a fan of defensive golf either, because losing distance can have an adverse effect on your expected scores. The best of both worlds is to be unafraid of hitting your driver off the tee, even if it is into a narrow fairway. However, take your stock swing and focus on making good contact and finding the fairway; even if the hole is long and the fairway is wide.

A rule I stress to all golfers

If you are very likely to have a 5-iron or longer on your next shot, whether it is on a par-4 or a par-5, focus on taking your stock swing, making good contact and finding the fairway. Do not try to hit it as hard as you possibly can in hopes of gaining extra yards off the tee. The ability to hit the following shot long enough and accurately enough has a greater influence on your score on the hole.

This is not meant to be a giant revelation, but golfers can swing too hard for their own good. There appears to be a growing sentiment that a golfer has to swing out of their shoes in order to have an “athletic looking swing,” but I grew up playing golf where the common instruction was to have effortless power, not powerful effort.

The idea should be to improve your stock swing so you can hit it long and straight time after time. The data indicates that trying to hit it as hard as you can with little or no regard to accuracy is just not a better path to shooting lower scores. And like Brian Harman, one can make up for a lack of club head speed by adopting a more aggressive strategy rather than trying to make a more aggressive golf swing.

Richie Hunt is a statistician whose clients include PGA Tour players, their caddies and instructors in order to more accurately assess their games. He is also the author of the recently published e-book, 2018 Pro Golf Synopsis; the Moneyball Approach to the Game of Golf. He can be reached at ProGolfSynopsis@yahoo.com or on Twitter @Richie3Jack. GolfWRX Writer of the Month: March 2014 Purchase 2017 Pro Golf Synopsis E-book for $10

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15 Comments

  1. Kevin

    Jul 15, 2014 at 2:29 pm

    Bottom line, the better your lie is on your second shot on par 5’s, the more aggressively you can play them.

  2. bradford

    Jul 15, 2014 at 7:56 am

    This just doesn’t apply to beginner or even mid-level (90-105ish) players. Does it factor in the woods on the right they hit with that 3W 40% of the time from the fairway? The bunker that they can’t get out of? The whiff from trying to kill it? I’ll agree with these numbers only on the tour, or low hcp players…for others it’s just simply false.

  3. Sky

    Jul 14, 2014 at 10:36 pm

    How was Phil one of the most likely to hit driver off the tee if he didn’t carry a driver for most of 2013? Did they count the phrankenwood as a driver?

  4. Brian

    Jul 14, 2014 at 9:50 pm

    I think the huge thing to consider when going after it as an amateur is the opportunity cost of going for it. If you go by the logic as I have this season (to try and go for it if you can get within 30 yards”) you have to consider what you are giving up. One do the big things is a free 170ish yards. If I lay up on every par 5 I would only have about a wedge in to maybe a 9 iron, but it would be pretty automatic.

    If I decide to go for it, the logic of getting within 30 yards weighs extremely heavy on the presumption that you actually hit a good shot or more importantly actually make solid contact (as I have found out the hard way). If you duff it, you are now 200+ yards out hitting 3 aka “jail”. If you hit a shot that slices way right or hooks left, you have the possibly of ending up behind a tree or blocked out.

    I think weighing the cost of a duffed wood vs a conservative 150 or 170 yards has to be factored in when deciding to go for it

    • Richie Hunt

      Jul 14, 2014 at 11:54 pm

      A major issue with laying up off the tee is that just because you lay-up, there is no guarantee that you will find the fairway. Conversely, just because you hit driver that does not guarantee you will find the rough. And where the real killer is statistically is when players lay-up and miss the fairway. That puts the golfer well behind the 8-ball.

      I typically run into the same argument when it comes to getting a short approach closer to the hole. The 13th hole at Bay Hill is that way. The numbers say to get the ball within 110 yards, regardless if the ball finds the fairway or the rough.

      Instead, they will come back and say ‘well, all I have to do is lay-up and I will have a 9-iron or PW into the hole.’ But, just because they have a 9-iron or PW doesn’t mean that they will find the green. It’s an easy shot, but getting it inside 110 yards is far easier. And the ods of sticking the <110 yard shot close are much better and his odds of not missing the green is also far better.

      It's really common sense…getting the ball closer to the hole generally means that you're expected score will be better. For Tour players, we start to see the difference at around 20 yards (i.e. 130 yard shot will have a noticeably better expected score than a 150 yard shot). But for amateurs we start to see a difference around 10-12 yards (a 140 yard shot vs. a 150 yard shot).

  5. mhendon

    Jul 14, 2014 at 6:41 pm

    I think its also fair to point out 9 of the top ten guys on the aggressive list would be considered short hitters on the PGA tour.

    • Rich

      Jul 15, 2014 at 9:34 am

      You beat me to this point. 9 of those 10 guys have to hit driver because they are short. Phil is the only truely aggressive player on that list. Don’t know where that leaves the article………..

      • MHendon

        Jul 15, 2014 at 11:39 am

        It’s like an attorney trying to leave out all the facts to make his case stick.

    • OhioGolfDude

      Jul 15, 2014 at 1:02 pm

      I think this is a very fair point. Every player on this list is ranked 70th or below in terms of 2014 driving distance – Mickelson being the only one to crack the Top 100. That being said, because these players are required to hit driver on virtually every hole, I’d like to compare their “go for it” strategy with the fairways hit and GIR stats.

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  7. webbstar

    Jul 14, 2014 at 5:47 pm

    thank you for a bit of sanity, it seems that all we hear about is distance is more important than accurate no matter what the situation. The fact is the only time i’m as accurate from the the rough as the fairway is from 125 yards and in but even then i’d rather be in the fairway.

  8. nikkyd

    Jul 14, 2014 at 4:38 pm

    Does anyone know if there is an average rough height across the board? Shots out of the rough on the pga tour (4″deep grass) sounds demanding, but most municipalities have shorter rough (from what i have seen anyhow) bomb and gouge is a way of life for some of us regardless of rough or not. Its the woods one must be weary of. Sometimes id rather be in the rough because my homecourse fairways and aprons are like concrete!

    • Jeff Trigger

      Jul 14, 2014 at 7:01 pm

      Yours too? My course is either drive to the hardpan or hit the 3 inch Bermuda rough.

  9. Dan P

    Jul 14, 2014 at 2:06 pm

    Another great article from Richie. Keep them coming!

  10. Jedidiah

    Jul 14, 2014 at 1:11 pm

    Mmm you’ve own me over richie

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Brandel Chamblee PGA Championship Q&A: Rose’s huge McLaren risk, distracted LIV pros and why Aronimink suits the bombers

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PGA Championship week is here, and Brandel Chamblee did not hold back in our latest discussion ahead of the season’s second major.

In our 2026 PGA Championship Q&A, golf’s leading analyst made the case that PIF pulling LIV’s funding has left its players competing in a state of confusion, called Justin Rose’s mid-season equipment switch a huge risk at 45, and explained why Aronimink will be a bombers’ delight this week.

Check out the full Q&A below.

Gianni: With the PIF confirming that they’re pulling funding from LIV at the end of the season, what impact do you expect that to have on the LIV players competing at the PGA Championship?

Brandel: I would imagine that they have all been thrown into a state of confusion, and will be distracted, not knowing where they are going to play next year and not knowing exactly their road back to either the DP World Tour or the PGA Tour. Or in Rahm’s case, being tied to a sinking ship for the next few years, likely playing for pennies on the dollar in events that no one cares about or watches.

I doubt this would put him in the best frame of mind to compete at his highest level. Keeping in mind, however, that majors are the only time that LIV disciples get to play in events that matter, so never disregard the motivation they have to prove to the world they are still relevant.

Gianni: Justin Rose switched to McLaren Golf equipment mid-season while playing some of the best golf of his career. What do you make of the change?

Brandel: I don’t really know what to make of Rose switching equipment. It seems a huge risk on his part, even though it is likely, in my opinion, that the clubs he’s playing are similar, if not the exact grinds, to what he was playing previously, with a McLaren stamp on them.

Having said that, at best, it is a distraction when he seemed to be as dialed in with his game as any 45-year-old could be and trending in the majors to perhaps do something that would definitely put him in the Hall of Fame. At worst, given the possibility that these clubs aren’t just duplicates of his old set stamped with McLaren on them, he’s made an equipment change that would take time, and 45-year-old athletes don’t have the time to do such things.

Gianni: Aronimink has only hosted a handful of professional events since it hosted the 1962 PGA Championship. What kind of test does it present, and does a course with less recent major championship history tend to level the playing field?

Brandel: Even though Aronimink has only hosted a handful of meaningful professional events, it has been fairly discerning in who can win there. When Keegan Bradley won the BMW Championship on the Donald Ross masterpiece in 2018, he was the 2nd best iron player on tour coming into that week. When Nick Watney won the AT&T at Aronimink in 2011, he was 2nd in strokes gained total coming into the week.

In 2020, Aronimink hosted the KPMG Championship, and Sei Young Kim won. On the LPGA that year, she was first in greens in regulation, putts per green in regulation, and scoring average on the way to being the LPGA player of the year. And then there is the 1962 PGA Championship won by Gary Player, who eventually became just one of a few players to win the career grand slam on the way to winning 9 majors. It is a formidable test, and if it’s not softened by rain, it will bring out the best in the upper echelons of the game.

Gianni: Is there a specific hole at Aronimink that you think will do the most to decide the winner?

Brandel: The hardest hole at Aronimink in each of the three tour events that have been played there since 2010 has been the long par-3 8th hole, with the par-4 10th being the second hardest, so most of the carnage will happen around the turn, but with the par-5 16th offering opportunities for bold plays and the tough closing holes at 17 and 18, the finish is likely to be frenetic.

Gianni: The PGA Championship has always sat in the shadow of the other majors. What does the ideal PGA Championship look like in your eyes, and what would it take for it to carve out its own identity?

Brandel: The PGA Championship, to whatever degree it suffers from the comparison to the other three majors, is still counted just as much when adding them up at the end of one’s career. Almost 1/3 of Nicklaus’ major wins were the five PGA Championships he won. Walter Hagen won 11 majors, five of which were PGA Championships.

Tiger Woods twice in his career won back-to-back PGA Championships, and those four majors count just as much as the other 11 he won. The PGA may not have the prestige of the other three, but it carries the same weight. Having said that, I preferred the identity that it had as the last major of the year.

Gianni: You nailed your Masters picks. Rory won, Scottie finished solo second, and Morikawa surged to a tie for seventh. Who are your top 3 picks for the PGA Championship and why?

Brandel: I am not a huge fan of majors played on golf courses that have been shorn of most of the trees, although I understand some of the agronomic reasons for doing so and of course the ease with which it allows members to play after errant drives. However, at the highest level, it all but eliminates any strategy off the tee and turns professional golf into an even bigger slugfest. That means that it will likely be a bomber’s delight this week, but fortunately, Scottie Scheffler is long enough to play that game and straight enough to play it better than anyone else.

The major championships give us very few surprises anymore, going back to the beginning of 2012, so the last 57 majors played, the average world rank of the winners has been better than 15th in the world. So look at the highest ranked and longest drivers who are on form coming into the PGA Championship who also have great short games as the surrounds at Aronimink are very challenging. That’s Scottie Scheffler by a mile and then McIlroy and Cameron Young with a far bigger nod towards DeChambeau than I gave him at the Masters.

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A putter that I love and hate – Club Junkie Podcast

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In this episode of the Club Junkie Podcast, we dive into one of the most interesting flatstick releases of the year with a full review of the new TaylorMade SYSTM 2 putters. After spending time on the greens, I break down what makes this design stand out, where it performs, and why it has me completely torn between loving it and fighting it. If you are into feel, alignment, and consistency, this is one you will want to hear about.

We also take a look at some of the putters in play on the PGA Tour last week. From familiar favorites to a few surprising setups, there is always something to learn from what the best players in the world are rolling with under pressure.

To wrap things up, I walk through the process of building a set of JP Golf Prime irons paired with Baddazz Gold Series shafts. From component selection to performance goals, this is a deep dive into what goes into creating a unique custom set and why this combo has been so intriguing.

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From 14 handicap to pro: 4 things I’d tell golfers at 50

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This year my 50th birthday. Gosh, where has the time gone?

As a teenager in rural Missouri, some of my junior high and high school years felt interminable. Graduation seemed light years away. But the older I get, the faster life seems to fly by.

I’m also increasingly aware of my mortality. My dad died recently. Earlier this year, a friend and fellow PGA of America professional and I were texting about our next catch-up. The next message I received was news of his unexpected passing at 48. Shortly after, a woman I dated in college succumbed to cancer at 51.

Certainly, one can share perspective at any age. Seniors help freshmen, veterans guide rookies. But reaching this milestone feels like as good a time as any to do one of those “what would I tell my younger self?” articles.

I’ve had a uniquely varied career in golf. I started as a 27-year-old, average-length-hitting, 14-handicap computer engineer and somehow managed to turn pro before running out of money, constantly bootstrapping my way forward. I’ve won qualifiers and set venue records in the World Long Drive Championships, finished fifth at the Speedgolf World Championships, coached all skill levels as a PGA of America professional, built industry-leading swing speed training programs for Swing Man Golf, helped advance the single-length iron market with Sterling Irons®, caddied on the PGA TOUR and PGA TOUR Champions, and played about 300 courses across 32 countries.

It’s been a ride, and I’ve gone both deep and wide.

So while I can consult and advise from a lot of angles, let me keep it to a few things I’d tell the average golfer who wants to improve.

1. Think About What You Want

Everyone has their own reason for picking up a golf club.

Oddly, as a professional athlete, I’m not internally driven by competition. That can be challenging, as the industry currently prioritizes and incentivizes competition over the love of the game.

For me, I love walking and being outdoors. Nature helps balance my energy. I prefer courses that are integrated into the natural beauty of their surroundings. I’m comfortable practicing alone. I’m a deep thinker, and I genuinely enjoy investigating the game, using data and intuition to unearth unique, often innovative insights. I’m fortunate to be strong and athletic, so I appreciate the chance to engage with my abilities. Traveling feels adventurous. I could go on.

You don’t have to overthink it like I do. For you, it might be as simple as hitting balls to escape work, hanging out with friends, and playing loosely with the rules and the score.

The point is to give yourself permission to play for your own reasons, and let that be enough.

But if improvement is your goal, thinking about your destination—and when you want to get there—is important, because it dictates the steps you need to take. When I set out to go from a 14-handicap to the PGA TOUR as quickly as possible, the steps I needed were very different from those of a working golfer trying to break 90 in six months. That’s also different from someone who just wants a few peaceful hours outside each week, away from work or family.

None of these goals are better than the others, but each requires a different plan that you can work backward from.

2. There Are Lots of Things That Can Work

One of the challenges of golf is that, although there are rules for playing, there aren’t clear, industry-wide standards for how to best play the game. There’s a lot of gray area.

You might hear a top coach or trainer insist that a certain move is the best way to swing or train. Then you dig a bit deeper and, much to your confusion and frustration, another respected coach or trainer says something completely different. I don’t think anyone is trying to confuse you—at least I hope not. It’s just where the industry is right now.

You have to be careful with advice from tournament pros, too. They might be great at scoring, but they’re also human and sometimes just as susceptible as amateurs to believing things that don’t really move the needle. Tour players might describe what they feel, but that’s not always what they’re actually doing when assessed with technology.

I recently ran a test on my YouTube channel (which connects to my GolfWRX article “How to use your hands in the golf swing for power and accuracy”), and, interestingly, two of the most commonly taught hand actions produced the worst results in the test.

Coaches can certainly help. If you find someone you connect with to help navigate, that’s great. But there are many ways to get the ball in the hole. In the current landscape, you may need to seek multiple opinions, think critically, and use your own intuition to discern what seems true and whose advice resonates with you.

I’d recommend seeking someone who is open-minded and always learning, because things constantly change. Absolutes like “correct” or “proper” should raise a red flag. AI can be useful, but it tends to confidently repeat popular advice, so proceed with caution.

3. Get Custom Fit

If you’re serious about becoming a better player, getting custom fit is hugely important. There’s no sense fighting your equipment if you don’t have to. Most better players get fit these days and, if they don’t, they’re usually skilled enough to work around clubs that aren’t ideal.

If you plan to play for a long time, it’s worth spending a little more upfront to get something that truly fits you and your game, rather than continually buying and discarding equipment.

Equipment rules haven’t really changed significantly since the early 2000s. To stay in business, manufacturers keep pushing those limits. If you pull a bunch of clubs and balls off the rack and test them, you’ll find differences. I’ve tested two new drivers and seen a 30-yard total distance gap. Usually, the issue isn’t bad equipment; it’s that the combination of components simply isn’t the best fit.

It’s like wearing a new pair of floppy clown shoes. Sure, they’re shoes—but you won’t sprint your best in them compared to track shoes that fit perfectly.

Be wary of what’s called custom fitting, too. Sometimes the term is used as a marketing strategy rather than an actual fitting. In some retail settings, fitters may be incentivized to steer you toward higher-priced components. That doesn’t automatically mean it’s not the best fit, but you should be aware of potential biases.

I learned a version of this lesson outside of golf. Years ago, I bought a tennis racquet at a big box store from a seemingly knowledgeable employee who thought it would suit me best. The racquet gave me tennis elbow, and I spent months recovering with rest and acupuncture. The next season, I invested more time and money to find what actually fit me, and I walked away with something amazing that I still play with years later.

So if you’re going to get fit, be smart about it.

Find someone you believe has deep knowledge—possibly with certifications, but not necessarily. Make sure there’s a wide inventory across many brands. Check recent reviews for the individual fitter if possible. Make sure you trust that the fitter has your best interests at heart. If they’re wearing a hat or shirt with a specific brand’s logo, proceed with caution. Unless you specifically want a certain brand or look, be wary of upsells, especially if two options perform nearly the same.

Also, while golf is called a sport of integrity, there’s a thread of manipulation in the industry. I once drafted an equipment article for an industry magazine, structured just like one of their previous popular stories, with matching word count and great photos. The assistant editor loved it; it was useful to readers and required little work on his part. But the editor-in-chief nixed the story. When I asked why, I was told it was because I wasn’t an advertiser. It turned out the article I’d modeled mine after was a paid ad cleverly disguised as editorial content.

I really dislike games, clickbait, and fear-based manipulation. I hope this changes, but golfers deserve to know it exists.

4. Distance and Strategy Matter

There’s a real relationship between how far you hit the ball and your scoring average, even at the PGA TOUR level.

I experienced this early in my pro career. I started as a power hitter, swinging in the high 120s and breaking 200 mph ball speed with a stock driver.

Back then, some instructors advised swinging at 80%, so I tried slowing down for more accuracy. That worked fine on shorter, tighter courses. But on longer setups, I was coming into greens with too much club, and par 5s stopped being

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