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Forum Thread of the Day: “How is Patrick Cantlay not getting penalized for slow play?”
Today’s Forum Thread of the Day comes from TheInfidel, who during Sunday’s fourth round at the Shriners expressed his frustration with Patrick Cantlay’s speed (or lack of it) on the course. Pace of play is a contentious issue right now in golf, and after Corey Pavin’s slow play penalty on the Champions Tour last month, many of our members would like to see officials take action more often on the PGA Tour.
Here are a few posts from the thread, but make sure to check out the entire discussion and have your say at the link below.
- elwhippy: “He is purgatory. Horsfield tweeted he knows he has an issue and is doing something about it. Cantlay is getting beyond belief. The 2019 rules revisions are about speeding up play but obviously touring pros will be exempt.”
- the bishop: “I agree that watching Cantlay is frustrating but slow play on the Tour is a collective effort. Hard to tell watching on TV but was his group ever out of position? I wonder if Tour officials give some slack on individual times if a group is not out of position if getting them to hurry up would only serve to have them wait even longer to hit their next shots.”
- GMN_02: “Need to start penalizing players. 5% or 10% of the FedEx Cup points the player would earn from the event for every slow play penalty. This won’t take them out of the round mentally like a stroke penalty would but the repercussions of losing those points over a whole season could be meaningful enough to make some players speed it up.”
- IVM: “Here is the answer, if they are slow for more than two holes and they lose a hole then disqualify the group. That will stop slow play.”
Entire Thread: “How is Patrick Cantlay not getting penalized for slow play?”
Equipment
Srixon ZXi combo or TaylorMade P7CB/770 combo? – GolfWRXers discuss
In our forums, our members have been pitting a Srixon ZXi combo against a TaylorMade P7CB/770 combo. WRXer ‘edutch22’ is on the hunt for a new set of irons and kicks off the thread saying:
“Looking at picking up a new set of irons and think I’ve narrowed it down to Srixon ZXi combo or Taylormade P7CB/770 combo. I am currently a 5 cap and allbeit I feel irons are my weakness. My miss is a little to the toe side. I am decently steep at 4-5 down. Always thought I am high spin but recently on trackman my 7 was spinning at 5800 roughly.
My question or looking for thoughts on which one would benefit me more from a forgiveness standpoint? Or is there another iron is should be looking at entirely? I only get to play about once or twice a week, if I am not playing a 2-3 day event. Thanks in advance.”
And our members have been sharing their thoughts and suggestions in response.
Here are a few posts from the thread, but make sure to check out the entire discussion and have your say at the link below.
- manima1: “You just can’t go wrong with Srixon ZXi7.”
- MattM97: “You have to hit them to know, the V-Sole on the Srixon can be make or break for many.”
- dmeeksDC: “P7CB is more forgiving for me than ZXi7 because my main miss is low middle and the P7CB still flies and spins great on that miss. These are both really nice irons but I like the P7CB more than the Zxi7 and the P770 (or P790) more than the Zxi5. The Srixons are larger so if that gives you confidence that is the way to go. I don’t feel like I get any benefit from the V-sole and the P7CBs live up to their high Maltby forgiveness rating so the TaylorMades have been great for me.”
Entire Thread: “Srixon ZXi combo or TaylorMade P7CB/770 combo? – GolfWRXers discuss”
Equipment
Mizuno Pro M13 vs Callaway X Forged: My actual fitting numbers – GolfWRXers discuss
In our forums, our members have been reacting to a fitting session involving Mizuno’s Pro M13 and Callaway’s X Forged irons. WRXer ‘careergolfer’ recently went through a full fitting session and shared his numbers and commentary, saying:
“After playing Callaway Apex Pros for the pats 5 years, just went through a full iron fitting and thought the data was interesting enough to share. I’ve seen a lot of posts talking about fittings but not many with actual numbers, so here’s mine.
All 7-iron, same ball, same session. Final two were the ones I was choosing between:
| Club | Ball Speed | Launch | Spin | Side Angle | Carry | Total |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Current irons | 121.1 mph | 18.3° | 6,691 rpm | 0.7L | 170 | 178 |
| Callaway X Forged | 125.8 mph | 15.9° | 6,144 rpm | 2.2L | 180 | 185 |
| Mizuno M-13 | 125.8 mph | 17.9° | 6,638 rpm | 2.2L | 177 | 182 |
The consistency numbers are what actually made the decision:
| Club | Ball Speed SD | Spin SD | Total Yards SD |
|---|---|---|---|
| Current irons | 3.3 | 294 | 5 |
| Callaway X Forged | 2.0 | 211 | 3 |
| Mizuno M-13 | 1.1 | 150 | 2 |
Callaway won on distance by 3 yards but got there with a much lower ball flight (15.9° launch, 6,144 spin). The Mizuno matched my existing flight profile with nearly 3x tighter ball speed consistency.
Fitter also noted I’ve been setting up with a closed face at address to compensate for a heel-heavy dynamic lie. Ordered the M-13s 1° flat to bring impact back to neutral: the theory being if I can set up square, I can actually commit to the release. I’m not sure if this was the right call TBH but took the fitter’s guidance. I’ll see what happens.
Went with the Mizuno. Clubs aren’t in hand yet. Happy to share follow-up data once I’ve played them!”
And our members have been sharing their thoughts in response.
Here are a couple of posts from the thread, but make sure to check out the entire discussion and have your say at the link below.
- PowerCobra98: “M13 certainly performed well. Enjoy the new irons once you get them!”
- dmeeksDC: “Two completely different irons. The X Forged is a tour-type iron and would match up with the S3 in the Mizuno lineup. Not going to see a lot of M-13 on pro tours. It’s a crossover iron, three different types of construction in the same set. The M-13 would be more like the AI 150 as the M-13 7 iron is a half-hollow club versus X Forged, which is a straight up forged iron. M-13 middle irons have very thin faces, not holding up well for some buyers if you read through the M-13 thread. Hopefully Mizuno has corrected it. Given the differences in construction, that is surprising ball speed with the X Forged. To me the numbers are quite an endorsement of the X Forged considering it has no ‘tech.'”
Entire Thread: “Mizuno Pro M13 vs Callaway X Forged: My actual fitting numbers – GolfWRXers discuss”
Equipment
Has there been a better driver since this Ping release? – GolfWRXers discuss
In our forums, our members have been discussing drivers. WRXer ‘Ty-Webb’ is still playing Ping’s G400 LS driver and reaches out to fellow members saying:
“Playing the G400 LS still and wondering if newer is any better? For someone who thinks golf equipment is 90% marketing, change my mind.”
And our members have been weighing in with their top picks in response.
Here are a few posts from the thread, but make sure to check out the entire discussion and have your say at the link below.
- meliaant: “As someone who graduated from the OG SIM to the Qi10, I can you two things: 1) on-center hits are essentially identical. 2) off-center hits are wildly, absurdly better with newer drivers.”
- Golfingfanatic: “I went from the G400 to the GT2 – probably a wash distance wise from the sweet spot, but much better at handling spin off-center.. would definitely try some new stuff if you can.”
- bluedot: “Given the number of heads and shafts that are available, plus the fact that you’re talking about a 9 yr old club, plus the available fitting technology, the answer is almost certainly yes. Add to that the fact that the Ping LS models are sort of ‘specialized’ drivers, as are the Ping SFT’s; heck, you might need MORE spin! How much better is really the question, and that depends on how well suited the G400 LS is to your swing, and how you will go about finding an alternative.”
Entire Thread: “Has there been a better driver since this Ping release? – GolfWRXers discuss”
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NormW
Nov 12, 2018 at 11:40 am
The Tournament should put them on notice, maybe have them sign an agreement before accepting the entry. It’s a performance contract and they are contractors.
The Infidel
Nov 11, 2018 at 6:16 am
Cantlay is singled out here, but the topic certainly needs addressed more seriously by the Tour and the PGA. Join the conversation!
Bert Gwaltney
Nov 9, 2018 at 6:16 pm
This is the PGA Tour, get accustomed to it continuing, after all it’s an entertainment business.
Tom54
Nov 9, 2018 at 4:47 pm
I have a possible solution for at least the viewers. The known slow pokes all should be on delay. Skip all the antics and show us only about the last seconds before they hit their shots. At least we don’t have to suffer, only their fellow playing partners. They are always using tape delays, so just let them always be on delay or don’t cut to them until they hit.
JP
Nov 9, 2018 at 4:33 pm
Playing with go slow golfers is the reason I rarely play. My home club is full of them.
Curt
Nov 9, 2018 at 3:58 pm
They make so much money DQ then all for being slow. Such good equipment these days if you are slow you don’t deserve to be on tour. Essentially ever sport has a time limit.
Keith
Nov 9, 2018 at 2:58 pm
This is a dangerous situation. The fasters are attempting to discriminate against the slows. Slows have rights. Even though they were born biologically faster, they identify as slows, and their choice should be embraced and encouraged.
Mike Honcho
Nov 9, 2018 at 1:18 pm
Cantlay makes J.B. Holmes look like Usain Bolt
joro
Nov 9, 2018 at 12:49 pm
When is the last time a slow player was penalized, at least one that is a name player. The PGA Tour is total BS in the fact they ignore the rule, and Golf is suffering for that. Kids watch Golf and see slow and think it is fine, and the announcers contribute when they are alway saying be careful and don’t hit until you are ready, you have to wonder is any of them are really ready.
Al
Nov 9, 2018 at 6:33 pm
It kills me when something bothers a player and they step away. Then the announcer says do the right thing and go through the entire routine again. NOOOOOOOO!!!