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Forum Thread of the Day: Is it down or up from here for Jordan Spieth?
Today’s Forum Thread of the Day comes from Danny Choo, who began the thread where he predicted that Jordan Spieth’s worst stretch of golf is still to come. After Sunday’s meltdown from Spieth, which saw the three-time major champion shoot a final-round 81 at the Genesis Open, the thread has been lit up by our members who are keen to discuss the reason behind Spieth’s current slump.
Here are a few posts from the thread, but make sure to check out the entire discussion and have your say at the link below.
- redfirebird08: “Tend to believe today was rock bottom for Spieth. Nowhere to go but up from here. I am sure he will get it figured out.”
- rafal: “He needs to make real changes here, not sorta kinda changes but in my golfing and caddying experience I think that while the duo has got things done in the past, he needs to move on and find someone else to work with. I just see these blow-up holes and strange club choices and this incessant talking and gesturing as something his current caddie is an integral part of. He needs a fresh person on the bag.”
- OldTomMorris: “His big miss seems to be multiplying. Previously it wasn’t killing his round now it is. Of course, the putting looks ropey at times given the high bar he set, and it’s getting a lot of attention which won’t help. The shortish one he missed on 6 (I think it was 6) yesterday was disconcerting.”
- bladehunter: “Definitely hard to watch. Mentally checked out after the shank. At least he’s stayed on the course. Other top-level players have walked off the course in same or less severe situations. Clearly more mental work to do than I saw originally. But it has nothing to do with mechanics. This is all between the ears.”
Equipment
Cheap iron experiment working out well – GolfWRXers discuss
In our forums, our members have been reacting to a cheap iron experiment that is working wonders for one WRXer. ‘Golfpractictioner5’ explained his experiment in our forums, saying:
“So, I bought a cheap set of Orlimar Single Length irons for $175 off of Amazon in December because I’d always liked the idea but never actually tested it. I played with them for a month on my simulator and course and absolutely hated them. I could not hit them consistently for some reason. Flights and distances were all over the place. I was gonna sell them but decided to change them up instead. I cut off an inch in length down to 36 inches on every club from 5-GW and put on some cheap Amazon Champkey regular sized grips.
The last 4 months have been ridiculous. I only lost about 5 yards per club on the 5-7 and everything else stayed the same. Distances march down perfectly 10 yards ever club starting with 5 iron being 170 yards down to GW being 110 yards. The crazy part is the flight patterns on all the clubs. I’m hitting 5-GW in perfect flight windows and spin actually improved most likely due to strike consistency. The dispersion has been the biggest change with my distances tightening up to the +/- of 5 yards with every club and them landing dead center or at most 5 yards to the right of target.
The reason I tried this out is because 9 iron has always been my go to iron and it is 36 inches on my other sets or irons. I always played to that club distance when laying up because it has always been automatic for me. I plan on carrying out this experiment the rest of the year and looking at my numbers at the end of season. So far, scores are staying in low 80s whereas I have mostly been mid to high 80s the last couple of years. I do not keep an official handicap at this time due to no need for it as I have limited time to actually get on the course and no time for tournaments. Maybe, I’ll start keeping one again once my kids are older.
I am mostly interested in seeing what people think about this and if other people have done this as well.”
And our members have been weighing in with their thoughts in response.
Here are a couple of posts from the thread, but make sure to check out the entire discussion and have your say at the link below.
- JAM01: “I tinkered with a sub $200 Snake eyes set from Bock Rottom. They actually were ok at that price.”
- Ghostwedge: “This just shows how individual golf is for each of us, I couldn’t jettison my Cobra Forged Tec OL 4\5 irons fast enough for Ping regular length Crossover’s and my 7-gw one lengths drop dimes all day. Somebody playing well with a $175 set of Orlimar One lengths doesn’t surprise me because the shaft probably fits them really well and the swing will get consistent with the same set up all round long.”
Entire Thread: “Cheap iron experiment working out well – GolfWRXers discuss”
Equipment
Srixon ZXi combo or TaylorMade P7CB/770 combo? – GolfWRXers discuss
In our forums, our members have been pitting a Srixon ZXi combo against a TaylorMade P7CB/770 combo. WRXer ‘edutch22’ is on the hunt for a new set of irons and kicks off the thread saying:
“Looking at picking up a new set of irons and think I’ve narrowed it down to Srixon ZXi combo or Taylormade P7CB/770 combo. I am currently a 5 cap and allbeit I feel irons are my weakness. My miss is a little to the toe side. I am decently steep at 4-5 down. Always thought I am high spin but recently on trackman my 7 was spinning at 5800 roughly.
My question or looking for thoughts on which one would benefit me more from a forgiveness standpoint? Or is there another iron is should be looking at entirely? I only get to play about once or twice a week, if I am not playing a 2-3 day event. Thanks in advance.”
And our members have been sharing their thoughts and suggestions in response.
Here are a few posts from the thread, but make sure to check out the entire discussion and have your say at the link below.
- manima1: “You just can’t go wrong with Srixon ZXi7.”
- MattM97: “You have to hit them to know, the V-Sole on the Srixon can be make or break for many.”
- dmeeksDC: “P7CB is more forgiving for me than ZXi7 because my main miss is low middle and the P7CB still flies and spins great on that miss. These are both really nice irons but I like the P7CB more than the Zxi7 and the P770 (or P790) more than the Zxi5. The Srixons are larger so if that gives you confidence that is the way to go. I don’t feel like I get any benefit from the V-sole and the P7CBs live up to their high Maltby forgiveness rating so the TaylorMades have been great for me.”
Entire Thread: “Srixon ZXi combo or TaylorMade P7CB/770 combo? – GolfWRXers discuss”
Equipment
Mizuno Pro M13 vs Callaway X Forged: My actual fitting numbers – GolfWRXers discuss
In our forums, our members have been reacting to a fitting session involving Mizuno’s Pro M13 and Callaway’s X Forged irons. WRXer ‘careergolfer’ recently went through a full fitting session and shared his numbers and commentary, saying:
“After playing Callaway Apex Pros for the pats 5 years, just went through a full iron fitting and thought the data was interesting enough to share. I’ve seen a lot of posts talking about fittings but not many with actual numbers, so here’s mine.
All 7-iron, same ball, same session. Final two were the ones I was choosing between:
| Club | Ball Speed | Launch | Spin | Side Angle | Carry | Total |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Current irons | 121.1 mph | 18.3° | 6,691 rpm | 0.7L | 170 | 178 |
| Callaway X Forged | 125.8 mph | 15.9° | 6,144 rpm | 2.2L | 180 | 185 |
| Mizuno M-13 | 125.8 mph | 17.9° | 6,638 rpm | 2.2L | 177 | 182 |
The consistency numbers are what actually made the decision:
| Club | Ball Speed SD | Spin SD | Total Yards SD |
|---|---|---|---|
| Current irons | 3.3 | 294 | 5 |
| Callaway X Forged | 2.0 | 211 | 3 |
| Mizuno M-13 | 1.1 | 150 | 2 |
Callaway won on distance by 3 yards but got there with a much lower ball flight (15.9° launch, 6,144 spin). The Mizuno matched my existing flight profile with nearly 3x tighter ball speed consistency.
Fitter also noted I’ve been setting up with a closed face at address to compensate for a heel-heavy dynamic lie. Ordered the M-13s 1° flat to bring impact back to neutral: the theory being if I can set up square, I can actually commit to the release. I’m not sure if this was the right call TBH but took the fitter’s guidance. I’ll see what happens.
Went with the Mizuno. Clubs aren’t in hand yet. Happy to share follow-up data once I’ve played them!”
And our members have been sharing their thoughts in response.
Here are a couple of posts from the thread, but make sure to check out the entire discussion and have your say at the link below.
- PowerCobra98: “M13 certainly performed well. Enjoy the new irons once you get them!”
- dmeeksDC: “Two completely different irons. The X Forged is a tour-type iron and would match up with the S3 in the Mizuno lineup. Not going to see a lot of M-13 on pro tours. It’s a crossover iron, three different types of construction in the same set. The M-13 would be more like the AI 150 as the M-13 7 iron is a half-hollow club versus X Forged, which is a straight up forged iron. M-13 middle irons have very thin faces, not holding up well for some buyers if you read through the M-13 thread. Hopefully Mizuno has corrected it. Given the differences in construction, that is surprising ball speed with the X Forged. To me the numbers are quite an endorsement of the X Forged considering it has no ‘tech.'”
Entire Thread: “Mizuno Pro M13 vs Callaway X Forged: My actual fitting numbers – GolfWRXers discuss”
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Progolfer
Feb 20, 2019 at 7:35 am
The problem is Spieth set his bar way too high when he first got onto Tour. He was making putts from everywhere, and that was never going to last. He needs to stop comparing himself to how he used to be and just enjoy playing golf!
Tom
Feb 19, 2019 at 6:02 pm
Gianni is a brute, yes?
Roscoe
Feb 18, 2019 at 9:56 pm
Jordan needs to adopt the arm lock putting method like Webb. As soon as he stopped making every 20 foot putt he was forced to deal with the 3 foot putt. When he started missing the short putts that bled over into his full swing. Jordan is a great putter but the yips are ruining his game. You cannot deny that it works. Webb went from almost dead last in putting to number 6 last year. I hope Jordan gets it worked out and stops working on his alignment.
Tom
Feb 18, 2019 at 4:00 pm
Appears he is pressing to hard to win and his game isn’t quite strong enough to deliver yet, thus the big numbers on a few holes….he needs patience, but he isn’t wired that way. Interesting to see how this plays out.
Tom
Feb 18, 2019 at 3:26 pm
I appears his mental attitude is toast at this point. Pressing too hard to try to win, and imploding as his games is still not at full strength, though getting better!
He needs more patience….doesn’t need to win, but finish more steady..
juliette91
Feb 18, 2019 at 11:25 am
I’ve seen this before with David Duval in some strikingly similar ways–and other ways quite different, but I think Jordan unfortunately has some yips in his swings. Some of his putts are visibly easy to see this but the driver and even irons are very hard to see because of the swing speed. Only results really tell the tale. Good rounds then triples and doubles, that’s what happened to Duvall. I really hope he can get some help for this even though I know from personal experience with this that help is hard to come by regardless if you have more money than G_d.
geohogan
Feb 18, 2019 at 9:33 pm
@juliette 91; agree Jordans problems are mental, but he needs new guidance to get out the rut his mind is in. If he continues to dissect his swing and body motion in general, IT will get much worse. Internal focus is the root of YIPS. Naturally gifted athletes can have a nice ride on their natural gifts, but if along the way they dont learn what keeps their movements natural, it will be a very rough ride, as we have seen with many other golfers.
eg Duval is only one of a large group who shone brightly then worked hard(internal focus) to get even better, only to loose it all.
Alex
Feb 18, 2019 at 10:33 am
Do any of you ever have off days? He’s got 3 majors and came roaring back last year at Augusta to make it really interesting. Golf is really hard and some days you just don’t have it. He’s a world class future hall of famer. I think he’ll be just fine without firing his loop or revamping his swing.
geohogan
Feb 20, 2019 at 12:22 pm
@Alex
We might add Mike Weir to these pga winners who suddenly lost it.
Do hope your right about Jordan.
https://www.thoughtco.com/great-golfers-who-suddenly-lost-their-games-1564510