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Forum Thread of the Day: “Why Adam Scott believes driving is no longer a skill on tour”

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Today’s Forum Thread of the Day comes from KrazyTrain18 who created a discussion dedicated to Adam Scott’s comments that the art of driving will disappear unless officials build “smarter golf courses.”

Scott was speaking to the AAP following his third round at the BMW Championship where he stated

“They haven’t figured out yet that long means nothing to us; you can’t build it long enough. I’m not (surprised to see low scores at Medinah); if a golf course is soft we are just going to tear it apart.   I’m not challenging (PGA Tour officials and course designers) to build longer golf courses; I’m challenging them to build smarter golf courses. If you require us to shape tee shots to get it in play we’re going to struggle.

“(Now) we just play straight, everything is straight. While there is an option to go over trees and over bunkers, it is just relentless. The driver is the most forgiving club in the bag now; it’s just swing as hard as you can and get it down there far. It’s not a skilful part of the game anymore and it’s really unfair for some guys who are great drivers of the golf ball. I don’t think their talents are showing up as much as they should.”

Here are what some our members have been saying in our forum concerning Scott’s comments, but make sure to check out the entire discussion and have your say at the link below.

  • JaNelson38: “Been saying it here for a long time – shorter courses with more angles and hazards to make landing areas less accessible and poor shots penalized.”
  • imakaveli: “Thanks Adam Scott for telling the truth they don’t want to accept. Apart for some rare exceptions course we see every week are dull and lead to boring tournaments.”
  • dlygrisse: “Roll back COR. Huge mistake by USGA, the long hitters picked up 50 yards, the short hitter maybe 1/2 that.  Make the ball spin more off the driver. If the ball spun off the driver like it did with balata it would reduce the high flat bombs and make them work the ball and reduce carry and rollout. You used to have to make a decision with the ball. Do I pick a ball with spin, or distance? Now you get both. Playing a soft cover ball should add 1000 rpms to the driver.”
  • el_b00t: “Rollback drivers, everyone plays the same ball, and let the rough grow in certain areas to penalize the long hitters that are off-target. I believe they touched on this in the Trap Draw podcast ‘commissioner for a day’.”

Entire Thread: “Why Adam Scott believes driving is no longer a skill on tour”

Gianni is the Managing Editor at GolfWRX. He can be contacted at gianni@golfwrx.com

8 Comments

8 Comments

  1. George

    Aug 21, 2019 at 3:21 pm

    He’s got a point. Make the course as long as you want, but it will be absolutely dominated by players today. People said the 2013 US Open at Merion would be a joke and torn apart by tour players at <7,000 yards. The rough was more than a penalty stroke so actually placing drives with skill was imperative. Angles and shaping were important as well. Obviously the putter is what ultimately wins tournaments, but if a player can just bomb a driver around without a penalty to a bad swing, they'll be looking wedges into the green and so many more makable birdie putts to win tournaments than players who aren't top tier in driving distance.

  2. Johnny thunders

    Aug 20, 2019 at 11:07 am

    Building more challenging course ain’t going to happen. Cost too much. Rolling back COR for ain’t going to happen as equipment manufactures will not support it and the ruling bodies don’t want to back lash from amateurs. Only chance would be is to come out with a pro only ball that can reduce the distances. Let everyone else play their new $500 drivers and soft distance balls.

    Give the pros a challenging ball. And one ball they all would play. Like car racing with spec engines and tires,

  3. Caroline

    Aug 20, 2019 at 9:17 am

    Very important for the equipment companies that the pros always have a chance to shoot under par. Safe to say any week the winning score is 18 or more under that the course was set up too easy. Both TV and in person viewing would never survive if constant winning scores were more near par. A couple times a year there is the odd course set up (some majors) that are really set up for only the best players, but the powers that be understand it has to be limited.l No one is going to pay $1,000 for a driver, $3,000 for irons, $600 for a putter and $50 a dozen for golf balls if pros can only shoot par with them.

  4. Dan

    Aug 19, 2019 at 4:34 pm

    0 creativity required to play pro golf anymore. sad

  5. Brandon

    Aug 19, 2019 at 3:22 pm

    I wonder if Adam thinks putting is a skill… Maybe the problem is he thinks too much.

  6. Acemandrake

    Aug 19, 2019 at 12:51 pm

    Firm & fast will raise scores.

  7. Scratchscorer

    Aug 19, 2019 at 11:09 am

    Rolling back equipment only increases the advantage longer players have. Adam Scott is right, you have to create angles where certain shot shapes are required to put the ball in play. We also have to accept that a long player who can find the fairway should have an advantage, and doesn’t need to be mitigated.

  8. Ryan

    Aug 19, 2019 at 10:08 am

    600 yard par 5s are hit in two, 500 yard par 4s are driver 8 iron, 250 yard Par 3s, are 4 irons. What’s next a 700 yard par 5? 600 yard par 4s? A course that is 9000 yards? When the player just sees the course in front of them they bomb away. Shorten the course, make tricky angles, hazards, etc and those same guys last week would have been lucky to break -10 for the winning score.

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Srixon ZXi combo or TaylorMade P7CB/770 combo? – GolfWRXers discuss

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In our forums, our members have been pitting a Srixon ZXi combo against a TaylorMade P7CB/770 combo. WRXer ‘edutch22’ is on the hunt for a new set of irons and kicks off the thread saying:

“Looking at picking up a new set of irons and think I’ve narrowed it down to Srixon ZXi combo or Taylormade P7CB/770 combo. I am currently a 5 cap and allbeit I feel irons are my weakness. My miss is a little to the toe side. I am decently steep at 4-5 down. Always thought I am high spin but recently on trackman my 7 was spinning at 5800 roughly. 

My question or looking for thoughts on which one would benefit me more from a forgiveness standpoint? Or is there another iron is should be looking at entirely? I only get to play about once or twice a week, if I am not playing a 2-3 day event. Thanks in advance.”

And our members have been sharing their thoughts and suggestions in response.

Here are a few posts from the thread, but make sure to check out the entire discussion and have your say at the link below.

  • manima1: “You just can’t go wrong with Srixon ZXi7.”
  • MattM97: “You have to hit them to know, the V-Sole on the Srixon can be make or break for many.”
  • dmeeksDC: “P7CB is more forgiving for me than ZXi7 because my main miss is low middle and the P7CB still flies and spins great on that miss. These are both really nice irons but I like the P7CB more than the Zxi7 and the P770 (or P790) more than the Zxi5. The Srixons are larger so if that gives you confidence that is the way to go. I don’t feel like I get any benefit from the V-sole and the P7CBs live up to their high Maltby forgiveness rating so the TaylorMades have been great for me.”

Entire Thread: “Srixon ZXi combo or TaylorMade P7CB/770 combo? – GolfWRXers discuss”

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Mizuno Pro M13 vs Callaway X Forged: My actual fitting numbers – GolfWRXers discuss

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In our forums, our members have been reacting to a fitting session involving Mizuno’s Pro M13 and Callaway’s X Forged irons. WRXer ‘careergolfer’ recently went through a full fitting session and shared his numbers and commentary, saying:

“After playing Callaway Apex Pros for the pats 5 years, just went through a full iron fitting and thought the data was interesting enough to share. I’ve seen a lot of posts talking about fittings but not many with actual numbers, so here’s mine.

All 7-iron, same ball, same session. Final two were the ones I was choosing between:

Club Ball Speed Launch Spin Side Angle Carry Total
Current irons 121.1 mph 18.3° 6,691 rpm 0.7L 170 178
Callaway X Forged 125.8 mph 15.9° 6,144 rpm 2.2L 180 185
Mizuno M-13 125.8 mph 17.9° 6,638 rpm 2.2L 177 182

The consistency numbers are what actually made the decision:

Club Ball Speed SD Spin SD Total Yards SD
Current irons 3.3 294 5
Callaway X Forged 2.0 211 3
Mizuno M-13 1.1 150 2

Callaway won on distance by 3 yards but got there with a much lower ball flight (15.9° launch, 6,144 spin). The Mizuno matched my existing flight profile with nearly 3x tighter ball speed consistency.

Fitter also noted I’ve been setting up with a closed face at address to compensate for a heel-heavy dynamic lie. Ordered the M-13s 1° flat to bring impact back to neutral: the theory being if I can set up square, I can actually commit to the release. I’m not sure if this was the right call TBH but took the fitter’s guidance. I’ll see what happens.

Went with the Mizuno. Clubs aren’t in hand yet. Happy to share follow-up data once I’ve played them!”

And our members have been sharing their thoughts in response.

Here are a couple of posts from the thread, but make sure to check out the entire discussion and have your say at the link below.

  • PowerCobra98: “M13 certainly performed well.  Enjoy the new irons once you get them!”
  • dmeeksDC: “Two completely different irons. The X Forged is a tour-type iron and would match up with the S3 in the Mizuno lineup. Not going to see a lot of M-13 on pro tours. It’s a crossover iron, three different types of construction in the same set. The M-13 would be more like the AI 150 as the M-13 7 iron is a half-hollow club versus X Forged, which is a straight up forged iron. M-13 middle irons have very thin faces, not holding up well for some buyers if you read through the M-13 thread. Hopefully Mizuno has corrected it. Given the differences in construction, that is surprising ball speed with the X Forged. To me the numbers are quite an endorsement of the X Forged considering it has no ‘tech.'”

Entire Thread: “Mizuno Pro M13 vs Callaway X Forged: My actual fitting numbers – GolfWRXers discuss”

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Has there been a better driver since this Ping release? – GolfWRXers discuss

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In our forums, our members have been discussing drivers. WRXer ‘Ty-Webb’ is still playing Ping’s G400 LS driver and reaches out to fellow members saying:

“Playing the G400 LS still and wondering if newer is any better? For someone who thinks golf equipment is 90% marketing, change my mind.”

And our members have been weighing in with their top picks in response.

Here are a few posts from the thread, but make sure to check out the entire discussion and have your say at the link below.

  • meliaant: “As someone who graduated from the OG SIM to the Qi10, I can you two things: 1) on-center hits are essentially identical. 2) off-center hits are wildly, absurdly better with newer drivers.”
  • Golfingfanatic: “I went from the G400 to the GT2 – probably a wash distance wise from the sweet spot, but much better at handling spin off-center.. would definitely try some new stuff if you can.”
  • bluedot: “Given the number of heads and shafts that are available, plus the fact that you’re talking about a 9 yr old club, plus the available fitting technology, the answer is almost certainly yes.  Add to that the fact that the Ping LS models are sort of ‘specialized’ drivers, as are the Ping SFT’s; heck, you might need MORE spin! How much better is really the question, and that depends on how well suited the G400 LS is to your swing, and how you will go about finding an alternative.”

Entire Thread: “Has there been a better driver since this Ping release? – GolfWRXers discuss”

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